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I'm only here to learn, have fun, and be of peace. I've been in the film making and tech community for quite sometime even if only having a few iMDB credits.

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I don't usually go for provocation, however this one is fairly representative of an argument I've made in apologetics. To be fair, I've had a fair amount of evangelicals even close to me admit this is a problem. Credit given where it's due to the people that understand.

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Not enough I/O in my opinion.

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@HorrorLovesBeth Same

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I understand the NIV, KJV and some other copies and translations of the bibles word it that way. That's why understanding how and why it's translated as it is, as well as the original Greek texts matter. Often bibles have been more loosely translated for protestants in order to drop the "Catholic Baggage" as even noted in some protestant study bibles. I ask if you to hear me out as we both seek the fullness of truth in Christ.

The Catholic interpretation of these key passages rests on a careful, accurate reading of the original languages rather than any distortion or wishful overlay. In Luke 1:28 the Greek text has the angel greeting Mary with the title “kecharitomene,” the perfect passive participle of the verb charitoo. This grammatical construction indicates a completed divine action of gracing that results in an ongoing, perfected state. It is not a generic or temporary “highly favored” status as a plain Protestant rendering might suggest but a unique, enduring fullness of grace bestowed by God in view of her role as Theotokos. The perfect tense underscores permanence and completeness, which aligns directly with the understanding that she was preserved from original sin through prevenient grace, a point the original wording supports far more richly than a flattened translation admits.

Revelation 12 in the Greek presents the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars, who gives birth to the Messiah caught up to God’s throne. The apocalyptic imagery does not contradict or merely symbolize Israel or the Church in isolation. Its precise details cohere powerfully with Mary as the literal mother of the Messiah now glorified in heaven, allowing the Church’s typological reading to unfold the text’s own deeper meaning without altering a single word of the original Greek.Psalm 132 in the Hebrew likewise calls the Ark of the Covenant to arise to its resting place. Far from imposing an alien idea, Catholic typology honors this original context by recognizing Mary as the new Ark who bore the living Word made flesh, making her Assumption the fitting fulfillment of the psalm’s language of divine presence and incorrupt preservation. Early Church Fathers consistently drew this connection from the Hebrew text itself.Her summary treats the passages as straightforward declarations that automatically exclude Catholic conclusions, yet a closer fidelity to the Greek and Hebrew actually strengthens the case for Mary’s Assumption as the harmonious culmination of Scripture’s implications, illumined by the apostolic Tradition that first discerned the canon. This approach engages the original languages with greater precision rather than reducing them to minimalistic renderings that overlook their full grammatical and typological force.

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@McDonalds Which of those don't cause cancer again?

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Another Pixel phone, another GrapheneOS install.

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@JennMGreenberg Oh, it does. We call them something else though.

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It's quite easy when you use the same books that Jerome used to translate into the Septuagent. You know, the complete canon used back at the council of Hippo in 395 AD for example. One of many examples.

Then again, I know your page enjoys the possible monetization you receive from using the algorithm to rage bait Catholics with mostly baseless attacks or statements without offering any qualifiers... Or when you ignore any of us that you think could stand a good faith debate with you. It's s shame. Pages like this are the worst for interfaith dialogue

You seem to seek not to make disciples of nations, but to divide and deny evangelization outside of threats of damnation and denial of Christian teachings. You make it SEEM as if Catholics aren't worthy of even considering reaching out to in humility to get them where you believe salvation to be

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@RevBWarr Ah, the 'ole "papist" slur. I digress, you didn't address his point? Why don't you make your position clear

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It's worth noting that Catholics don't simply believe Baptism is the sole method of Salvation. That's in part why we believe Christ has mercy for unbaptized believers and babies at HIS discretion that is a mystery of faith. We don't think many Protestants have valid baptisms as it must be done as it was in the Bible (the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), and that many people convert too soon before death with sincere love and admiration of Christ.

With that said, if a Parish is charging 50 bucks for a simple baptism, then it's not acting in the spirit of Catholicism or our own doctrine. The magisterium will likely eventually sort it out. 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide are a lot for the Magesterium to keep up with for sure.

Though we believe the Church to be God's direct gift and Church given to us all, we also completely understand that evil or tempted men walk the halls of our buildings. I would like to know more about this Church and the circumstances in which they're being charged. If they're renting out a parish to hold a private baptism that takes away from normal scheduling, MAYBE I could see why. Especially if it was going to involve some sort of special request.

With that said, wed still need to know more. Myself as well as many Catholics would gladly send letters

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My everyday carry.

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@BackwardsFeet @Samuel84170104 Even if it's annocious by nature and only as an illustration of something very abstract and otherworldly? I agree that LSD could be a gateway for the demonic, however the intent behind the words matter.

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I'm genuinely curious as to the specifics as to why not? The metaphor might seem crass at a glance, however the expression tends to mean that it's seems out of this world. That could be good or bad. The Passion of The Christ was phenomenal and did wonderful things. Aside of him possibly being a sedevecantist, I think he doesn't mean anything against what we would assume or believe. I could be wrong of course. I'm curious if your thoughts

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@THESHADOWSMITH1 @Truth_matters20 I'm Catholic, brother. Pardon my Socratic apologetics. I was hoping a non Catholic or non Orthodox would answer so we could have a good faith debate. This post has stewed for long enough. I wish more people could share that love

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I think the algorithm just makes a lot of us think that. For me and many other Catholics, we seem to be spoon fed only hateful anti Catholic Content. For my protestant brother and sisters, they only see the same coming from Catholics.

It's ti grab our attention and boost engagement. That's just how social media tends to be engineered. X without a filter or censor for what other platform consider sensitive subjects at that.

Though I have my usually good faith debates with Protestants in my life, the real life hate I get is way less than what the Internet would have me think is real in the world. Catholics area Global majority, however an American minority when compared against the whole of protestant, non denom, and reformation offshoot churches. Many people don't get to meet us as much in real life, which can further narrow anecdotal experiences.

I'm short, I impore you to consider the same advice I give to Catholics. Don't believe the algorithms affect on how we vote each other as nasty. We're both just passionate about Christ and how to properly worship him. We can disagree in good faith and debate as Christ teaches us, and the Catholic Church Doctrine is against a lot of the nastiness you may see for the same reasons any Christian should or would be against it. We don't make disciples of Nations by hurling boulders of 'burn the heretic" back and forth at each other.

If we find each other in error, were to walk in Faith if Christ with all glory be to him. On my for you page, you'd swear Protestants are mostly all hateful close minded jerks that don't study history or etymology.

For Protestants page, Catholic look like unholy pagans that have more books in their Bible and can never answer why, just screech things like "Submit to Rome" when in reality we all are to submit to Christ first.

A shame so many argue in bad faith. I tend to debate more from an apologetic and good faith proposition, so this hate shows up in my feed as I engage with it even if I don't act on the hate.

To my Catholics reading what this original poster is saying, consider what I've said here and please be considerate of our own doctrine, the ways and teachings of Christ that we lay out in our doctrine, and modern technologies little quirks that can make us quick to paint each other with broad strokes

To the original poster whom I reply to: please consider the same. Especially with the algorithms. We're not all a bunch of hateful people, were simply people. We also love christ, so much to the point where we strive to practice as we have studied that Christ intended. We actually don't believe Protestants get auto-dumped into hell (it's against our doctrine to assume that of other Christians).

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Since when? It was in the earliest known canon and practiced by the earliest Christians. It was taught by the apostles students as passed down. Even the Rabbinic Jews and Hellenistic Jews (Greek, I know my the world sound funny). It was later removed by rabbinic Jews in part because it was too on the nose for how the earliest Christians practiced.

The new Testament references the books that include Maccabees hundred of times. The Hellenistic (Greek Jews) are non existent these days so many converted to Christianity (Those missing books Protestants call "added" we're so on the nose for how Christ would and did come, it makes sense why they'd believe their Messiah came), or the Hellenistic Jews were often even enslaved by other Jewish sects.

Mind you, the Jewish canon is still open, and they add books to this day. The Earliest Christians closed the canon, and Rabbinic Jews altered it, and around 1500 years later Christians started to accept the reduced Old Testiment. Some in part to it matched the altered Jewish OT, and some in part to it being too on the nose for how Orthodoxy and Catholicism looked. Mostly because it doesn't work well with what now people call the 5 Solas, however that's a separate debate. For now, I'm just focusing on the books legitimacy as part of the Bible.

Often many Protestants will misquote history and claim those books were added at the council of Trent. They were accepted Canon as early as the 1-3rd century in the OLDEST CHRISTIAN Biblical canon at The Church of Cartridge, and the Council of Hippo in the 300s. Around 180 AD used the canon in writing "Adversus Haereses".

He was a student of Polycarp who was a student of John the Evangelist for example. Polycarp himself writes referencing Tobit in his only curving work if I'm not mistaken

Then there's the New Testament, Scholars identify over 300 cross-references where the New Testament authors clearly draw on the language, theology, and historical events recorded in these books. Since we're focused on Maccabees at the moment, I'll give you an example.

Hebrews 11:35 & 2 Maccabees 7: This is widely considered the most indisputable reference. Hebrews speaks of those who were "tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might find a better resurrection". This directly mirrors the account of the Maccabean martyrs (a mother and her seven sons) who were executed for refusing to break Jewish law, specifically citing their hope in a bodily resurrection.

With all of that said, I can tell you love Christ and I hope you read this with humility and sn understanding that in spite of Social media's lack of tonality, that I harbor no resentment for your good faith and intellectual opposition.

Now that I've rebutted, I only ask that if you had some time to fact check my claims or if you've studied the general Christian history. I do understand the concept around Sola Scriptura, but I know that doesn't prevent anyone from studying history, especially Christian history. Some are compelled to and others aren't. Im not judging.

I know things can seem it become heated on X. That's not me

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@antepedium What do you make of the shift in his writings?

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@antepedium I mean, Martin Luther still prayed to them and even his Rosary after reforming.