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Dogma is not to be believed. Dogma is to be experienced. Because dogma without experience is heresy. — Fr. John Romanides, Empirical Dogmatics.

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@Craig_Truglia @ErickYbarra3 Regardless of what constitutes an Ecumenical Council, the system utilized by the RCC is that of what is or is not part of the Magisterium of the RCC, clearly Constantinople 879 is as binding as Vatican II, it affirms the RCCs then constant teaching and binding on future Popes.

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@BlackwellLuke6 @SteveSkojec @dgoodmaniii This was not really a questioned aspect until Scholasticism.

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@BlackwellLuke6 @SteveSkojec @dgoodmaniii You’re comparing apples and oranges. The examples I gave were in the individuals imagination and the other situations which you reference in general (not sure which) were observed phenomena. And talking to animals is certainly not foreign to Biblical narrative.

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@kstewskisAZ @AmericanReform_ You are saying that you have personal authority to judge that a Dogmatic Council, Vatican II, is something other than binding on you by calling it Masonic, along with subsequent canon law?

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First RCC recognizes the marriage in any case. And also even more confusing it seems you’re saying that you follow your own interpretation on what is and isn’t canon law etc. Satis Cognitum “104. Wherefore, let the faithful also be on their guard against the overrated independence of private judgment and that false autonomy of human reason. For it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of a Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he can examine from their inner nature, and to imagine that the Church, sent by God to teach and guide all nations, is not conversant with present affairs and circumstances; or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has decreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to be false or putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty. Quite to the contrary, a characteristic of all true followers of Christ, lettered or unlettered, is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord.”

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@kstewskisAZ @AmericanReform_ It’s a stupid retarded system that has eliminated the need for - Church because in that system, all of the sacraments can occur regardless of a person‘s membership formally in that church. That’s how come y’all have your satanic masses.

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@kstewskisAZ @AmericanReform_ Why are you lying? You still need an “Anullment” to get remarried.

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@AmericanReform_ So you say but Catholicism requires a Civil Divorce before and Annulment. Period end of story. Also yes it presumes Civil Marriages as being binding on non Catholics. You have to stop lying about how the actual system works.

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@kstewskisAZ @AmericanReform_ Pretty sure if you get married and divorced outside of Catholischism (other than if you are a Roman Catholic) they presume you were sacramentally married regardless. you

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Oh and of course St Moses his face “shone with light” another example of innovative 20th Century theology??? And St Mercarious the Great from the 4th Century? True, Orthodox don’t hallucinate floating Eucharists (St Faustina) or have a betrothal ring made of Jesus’s Foreskin (St Catherine of Sienna).

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@BlackwellLuke6 @SteveSkojec @dgoodmaniii St Benedict of Nursia was in the 20th Century??

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@AmericanReform_ And on that point, St Justinian’s Code provided for divorce amongst Christians. How can that be consistent with hyperdogamtizing “Annulments” which as a Roman innovation did not become a norm until relatively recently.

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@AmericanReform_ So a Roman Catholic can get an Anullment without a Civil Divorce?

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@BlackwellLuke6 @SteveSkojec @dgoodmaniii Correct. And that leaves only the Orthodox Catholic Church as the true Church. Whose teachings are consistent with and unchanging from the time of Christ.

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If you haven’t watched any Catholic/Orthodox debates on RC Dogma, you probably haven’t noticed Catholics don’t even take the position that their Church actually teaches anything that must be believed other than ex Cathedra statements, and perhaps some vague belief in a sacramental system (which ironically does not need the RC Church to even have sacramental value).

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I think the only thing that Roman Catholics affirmatively believe as an article of Faith is that the Pope can teach Ex Cathedra and only Ex Cathedra must be believed, everything else is optional. And with that are only two apparent Ex Cathedra statements - both in recent history. It’s that and the Pope is a literal stand-in for Christ. If you “are with” the Pope, then you are basically saved.

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@BadTheoloTakes You’re such a liar.

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To prove my point, I’ll ask you again and people can read the prior posts to see who the bad faith actor is: Where do I find the .0001% of Roman Catholic teaching that matters? (NB: The other question I asked - that you claim is “all over the map” has to do with “how is it - via what means - are infallible Roman Catholic teachings declared otherwise than ex Cathedra”). I know the answer, but do you?

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@TheNarrowGate37 @joaosilveiraaa You're all over the map, with a crapflood of bizarre, halfway-coherent assertions made into questions. If you would like to have a discussion, go back to where you went from bizarrely aggressive to incomprehensibly goofy, which is right at the post linked above.

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This actually just helps prove that all the Roman Catholic Apologetics about the “system” many other long lasting systems exist and have arguable stood the tests of time, for one China as a nation, another, Islam. Of course Orthodox Christianity has operated from the Apostolic era.

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@WhyLeftSSPX So did you just formally become Protestant in leaving the SSPX?

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@matthew_sede Does this mean therefore that every apparent error can be mentally justified post hoc? I think the more accurate version of this is: the Roman See can never err in its ability to hide or explain away error in an intellectually satisfying way.