@Hershel89836586 Direct benefit is what I asked.
So we established and can agree that a private family does for one, while governments do for the other, correct?
#BREAKING: Legendary #Maddow: “Headline: ‘Donald Trump can’t open the Strait of Hormuz, so instead he’s blocking the Strait of Detroit.’ It’s a headline from The Globe and Mail, the Canadian newspaper. The big beautiful new bridge that Trump is not allowing us to use, is a bridge that crosses the Detroit River. It goes from…Detroit…to…Ontario. Canada fully financed and paid for this bridge. It is ready to be opened, it will be the biggest U.S. border crossing in Canada, it will be one of the most important routes for trade in the entire world, the single most important one with one of our two most important trading partners, Canada, but Trump won’t let anybody use it, even though it’s ready, ready to be driven on.” 🤦♀️
@Hershel89836586 Gish gallop.
Look at it this way:
1. What is the basic purpose of each bridge?
2. Who stands to directly benefit from each bridge?
3. What do each country gain/lose from each bridge?
Everything you want to discuss are just attempts to muddy the waters.
@MikeMlgolf@trainofangels00 Well, Trump's evolving position: it was dairy tariffs, the drugs crossing the border, then it was the trade imbalance claim that the US is subsidising Canada, then border security, the US alcohol bans, and so on.
He is erratic and untrustworthy in trade talks.
By David Abbruzzes:
This Australian's reply to Trump's rant about “NATO not being there for America” is perfect.
"Mate. You run a country with 600,000 homeless people sleeping on the street tonight. A country where 40% of adults can't cover a $400 emergency without borrowing money. A country where insulin costs more than a car payment and people are rationing it to survive. A country where medical debt is the number 1 cause of bankruptcy. A country where women are dying in hospital car parks because doctors are too scared of abortion laws to treat a miscarriage.
You lock up more of your own citizens than any nation on earth. More than China. More than Russia. More than North Korea. The land of the free has 2 million people in cages, and a quarter of them haven't even been convicted of anything. They're just too poor to make bail.
Your life expectancy is going backwards. You're the only developed nation where that's happening. Your infant mortality rate is worse than Cuba's. Your kids do active shooter drills between maths and English while you sell the gunmaker's stock to your mates.
Your minimum wage hasn't moved in 15 years. You've got teachers working 2 jobs and veterans sleeping under bridges and you just spent a trillion dollars flattening a country that didn't attack you.
And you’ve got a convicted felon, adjudicating raping, paedophile protecting, porn star shagging insurrectionist running the biggest dumpster fire war campaign since the Taliban thanked you very much for losing again.
And you're calling Greenland poorly run?
Greenland has universal healthcare. Free education. One of the lowest incarceration rates in the world. Nobody goes bankrupt there because they got sick. Nobody dies in a waiting room because their insurance said no.
'NATO wasn't there when we needed them." When exactly was that, champ? September 11? Because NATO invoked Article 5 for the first and only time in history FOR YOU. Soldiers from dozens of countries deployed, fought, bled, and died in Afghanistan FOR YOU. Australia wasn't even in NATO and we still showed up. For 20 years.
And you pulled out at 2am without telling anyone and left them to deal with the mess.
So maybe before you start calling other countries poorly run, have a look at your own backyard, you spray-tanned aluminium siding salesman. The only thing poorly run in this picture is your f----- mouth."
Very well stated.
@MikeMlgolf@trainofangels00 Any concession Canada has (or would have) made to appease this current administration, is always met with a new condition.
The US are no longer a good-faith trading partner, as they refuse to honor any deal made with/by them.
@BobbyBGood@SevenBananaMore@MarketManiaCa Do you even read what you type?
You are saying that Canada has been multicultural since the 60's, pretty much erasing your point that Canada has never been multicultural.
You are literally saying that multiculturalism in Canada has been the standard for over 60 years!
@Hershel89836586 That is not an answer to any of the 3 questions I asked.
If you aren't going to answer my questions, which seems obvious at this point rhat you aren't, at least show me some respect and have the decency to just say so.
@Hershel89836586 So instead of addressing that you were indeed engaging in a gish gallop attempt, you switch to asking clarifying questions, AGAIN avoiding answering my questions.
This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for avoiding questions.
https://t.co/M9lt8aWK1z
@Hershel89836586 So instead of addressing that you were indeed engaging in a gish gallop attempt, you switch to asking clarifying questions, AGAIN avoiding answering my questions.
This is what I'm talking about when I call you out for avoiding questions.
https://t.co/M9lt8aWK1z
@Hershel89836586 Gish gallop.
Look at it this way:
1. What is the basic purpose of each bridge?
2. Who stands to directly benefit from each bridge?
3. What do each country gain/lose from each bridge?
Everything you want to discuss are just attempts to muddy the waters.
@Hershel89836586 We have done this dance before, my friend. Nothing changes. I may call you out from time to time, but I have also accepted this reality.
It is what it is.
@mutanttoad Please. Michigan is proxy for the US federal government.
The US would gain all the benefits with zero financial risk to them, regardless of this semantics argument you are attempting to mount.
@Hershel89836586 You want to compare the:
-legal framework
-ownership
-financing
-governance
-contractual obligations
-historical development
-engineering
-public purpose
-regulatory requirements
-changes in policy
THAT is gish gallop.
AND you avoided my questions...again.
@Hershel89836586 Please. You are doing it...again.
He has said the words.
He has posted on Truth Social.
He has made claims of it being unfair to the US, that Canada owns all of it.
What he HASN'T said is what exactly his issue with the bridge is, beyond his falsehoods about it.
@Hershel89836586 You are arguing semantics regarding my use of the word "arrogance".
I never once made the case for a textbook definition, but rather it was always in how you respond and the air it give off.
As for dodging; you answer without directly answering, trying to generalize instead.
@Hershel89836586 Gish gallop.
Look at it this way:
1. What is the basic purpose of each bridge?
2. Who stands to directly benefit from each bridge?
3. What do each country gain/lose from each bridge?
Everything you want to discuss are just attempts to muddy the waters.
@Hershel89836586 My point has, and remains to be, that your president is expecting some form of compensation/equitable terms, yet has offered ZERO explanation as to what is not equitable or fair to the US.
He is blocking a bridge that is beneficial for all, with ZERO liabilities for the US.