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Let’s be precise: ‘God’ here refers to the quality of divinity.
Divinity *qua* divinity lacks proper parts *essentially*.
The Son insofar His divinity lacks proper parts essentially.
It’s very simple: The Son just acquires a human body.
That’s it.
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@WriterJohnBuck Exactly this.
This is where they are implicitly butchering trivial modal metaphysics when shouting “that makes the Son contingent!”
Modally speaking, there are no possible worlds where the Son does not exist. This what anyone means by *not contingent*.
I hate seeing Muslims own Christians but the reality is that THE PERSON you call the son is not self existent if you say he is being GENERATED BY ANOTHER PERSON.
Saying yeah but his nature/essence (aka divinity) is eternal just ignores the issue. The question is not if divinity is contingent, the question if THE PERSON CALLED THE SON is contingent.
I would love to go on @InspiringPhilos with Blake Ostler and explain the problem.
This is the problem with the creedal tradition. Its theology is incoherent and it can’t stand up to Islam.
But LDS don’t have that problem.
Reject the Trinity
Embrace the Godhead
Braindead Christian apologists bury themselves in trying to tackle the consensus.
This quote from the First Apology is NOT a quote of John’s Gospel, that is not how the verse reads, a parellel concept also found in the gospel is NOT a quote.
If this is ALL that you can find to overlap with Johnanine material, then you are proving my point further than Justin Martyr, the huge logos theorist NEVER quotes Johns gospel to support his Logos christology. This is the biggest evidence he wasn’t aware of it!
Also notice how they don’t respond to what I say after in the clip ? Namely that Justin declares Paul a disbeliever ? lol
Even with lies, Christianity still dies.
This is not a true dichotomy.
This assumes that one cannot predicate <is God> to the Father and <is God> to the Son via reduplicative predication where both the Father and the Son are incomplete individuals.
Why should we believe that? So far, no argument has been given.
Well, you don’t have many options. Either divinity is multiply-instantiable, or it isn’t. If it is, then three instantiations = three gods. If it isn’t, then what exactly is identical to the “one God”? If both the father and son are identical to it, then father = son. If only one of them is identical to it, then the other isn’t God. And if neither is identical to it, you’re forced to retreat to partialism or modalism. Or just say the obvious and admit your theology is incoherent.
@analyticityy@ExploringReali2 You know exactly what I’m asking, which means it should be easy for you to straightforwardly answer my clarification question: is the predicate <is human> as it relates to <humanity> predicating a kind or no?
@analyticityy@ExploringReali2 Nice try. Either <is human> is predicating a ‘kind’ or something else. I’m interested in qualifying what it is exactly we are predicating. Are you unwilling to engage with that or no?
@analyticityy@ExploringReali2 Let’s start with the first point. For clarification: is <is human> predicating a universal or something else on your view?