Troy Collinsworth

Software Engineer/Architect - Artificial Intelligence (AI/ML)

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@edgecase411 @Tesla_AI It's not just LA. Same problem in much lighter traffic suburbs too.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@GaryMarcus Tulip mania seems more like a fish story that gets distorted and blown out of proportion over time.

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[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

I made it 7 hours both ways from NY to NH on some prior version, probably v13. I can't get a single drive around town anymore without intervention on either M3 or MY with v14.3.4. This version is not definitively better. Navigation and parking are worse, not honoring right-on-red or no right-on-red, too timid turning in busy traffic, brakes for every school bus, squirrel and bird, and less speed control than prior versions. It couldn't get in my driveway and backed across the street into the neighbors lawn. Sorry, v14.3.4 should never have been released as an improvement.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

It did disengage for excessive speed. On a cross country drive on v11 or v12 from NY to AZ, we had multiple phantom breakings where the car was doing 70+ and just slammed on the brakes scaring the shit out of us. Semi on the right, mini-van behind. We made the rest of the drive with foot on accelerator. When it braked, we pressed the accelerator to override the braking. When the car hit 80, red hands disengagement, strike, and disabled FSD till we stopped and restarted the drive.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

I've read a lot more about driver assistance features and considered many more scenarios. I now agree with you that the current systems, Tesla's included must allow driver override since the driver is responsible. The media lied. The scenario that flipped my opinion is that if the SW misinterprets a bridge or shadow and breaks, it could cause a rear-end collision. This actually happened many times on my first Tesla FSD drive from NY to AZ on v11 or v12. It hasn't happened again until v14.3.3 and I've been across country on FSD 4+ times since.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@ICannot_Enough Agreed. Maybe in the future the cameras will be able to detect that sort of danger or, "hey grok, get me out of here" will be an option. I still think in this situation, the car should have reacted and avoided or reduced the impact.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@ICannot_Enough 100% agree, but it doesn't need to go very fast in that situation either. Ashok said the driver pressed the accelerator. In my experience that doesn't disengage self-driving unless you go way over the speed causing loud alerts and red wheel/hands. AEB seems appropriate here.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@DillonLoomis @nytimes Why didn't it limit the speed and acceleration? It's done that to me in prior versions. Why didn't AEB stop or slow the vehicle reducing the impact?

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@edgecase411 @Tesla_AI And it would be nice if it would use it's power and acceleration to get make turns in busy traffic. It just sits there in busy traffic annoying me and people behind till pushed through with accelerator. Have to do this on most drives in v14.3.4.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@aelluswamy @ChuckCook @Tesla_AI Sorry, v14.3.4 is worse. A prior version drove me 7 hours each way from NY to NH intervention free. I can't get virtually any drive around town intervention free anymore. I have M3 and MY both on v14.3.4 and they are the same, so not the car, it's FSD.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@ICannot_Enough On a prior FSD version I've had it limit the acceleration on me in traffic when I was trying to cut across lanes and go up an on-ramp. It wasn't deferring to my commands.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@aelluswamy @elonmusk @kylaschwaberow Why wasn't the acceleration limited like I've experienced in prior versions? Why didn't AEB stop or reduce the speed preventing the crash or limiting the damage? You posted about the car driving someone with health issues to hospital. What if they were pressing the accelerator?

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@cb_doge Technically not lying? On autopilot, must frequently press accelerator when it won't proceed through a right-on-red or intersections in busy traffic when it should and must. Why didn't it limit the acceleration? It has for me in prior versions. Why didn't AEB prevent crash?

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@ray4tesla Can barely ever get successful FSD end-to-end drive on v14.3.4. Still tries to take right on red where prohibited. Drove around Walmart parking lot multiple times passing the same open spots right at the front multiple time. Doesn't avoid deep dips and potholes, etc.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@CartierCartell There is notable research that indicates, if instead, save and invest the money and not buy many extended warranties, in the long-run, you will come out ahead. Effectively self-insure. Don't expect doing this for one will be enough. If the money isn't needed, it's retirement!

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

My first drive on v14.3.3 had 10+ bug reports in the very first 1.9 mile drive to the grocery store and back. It stopped part way through a turn for a school bus stopping at a stop sign I didn't have. The buss didn't have any lights on and wasn't letting anyone on or off. Had to push it through several intersections because it wasn't going to go for cars approaching but very far away. Changing mode doesn't help with this.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

In non-rush hour traffic maybe. It's far too timid pulling out when cars are coming way off and people behind you get annoyed. There are deep dips, manholes, road works, pot holes that will damage a car and it doesn't try to miss them. It also pulls out of some parking lots and turns from the wrong lane. It's just not their yet and it's really a crap shoot trying to find the right mix of training data that fixes what's broken without breaking something else in the process.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

@DirtyTesLa But you just got the update. How do you know the new version isn't just breaking less frequently.

[Troy Collinsworth @troyc]

None of those. Gemini mostly, but the version for pixel 4 watch, phone, and Google home is wrong very frequently, like at least once every single day. I ask it to check the market and tell me where Tesla or SpaceX is trading or when and what the high was during the day and it reliably says the wrong answer even when I'm staring at Google finance and yahoo finance which both agree. Even when the peak was hours before.