@1984_nate It's dishonest because you say the "if perhaps" is, maybe they will repent, maybe they won't. So you put it on whether the person will respond that's unclear. But what Paul says is unclear is whether God will grant the repentance to the person. It's not being honest with the text
@1984_nate “The ‘if perhaps’ has to do with Timothy not knowing who will repent.” Not honest with the text. “If perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth”.
@1984_nate Haha. Ok. Let’s say that’s what the text means (even though the text says no such thing, but rather that God grants repentance itself), so God does not grant everyone the opportunity to repent? You confront someone in sin, and God might not grant them the opportunity to repent?
@1984_nate Doesn’t work. First, if they are already capable of repenting, why does God need to grant the ability to repent? Second, it says “if perhaps”. God might not.
@NickHintonn Hey just so you guys know this is why I don’t really like the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe. The atonement is completely misunderstood by CS Lewis. Sorry to ruin it for you, my fellow Protestants
@1984_nate I don't think it's vague. It's the clear grammar. Grammar matters. I don't think that's what Rom 10 means. But think about this, Nate, Repentance is necessary to be saved. Repentance is a gift, and it is a gift that God does not give to all.
@TableTopLiberty@Mormonger That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that Mormons believe in a different Christ, because their Christ does not share the same being with the Father. Polytheism vs Monotheism is pretty foundational stuff. In the Mormon scheme, He's a different god than the Father