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[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

My thoughts during the Primary season of 2024 reposted as one post instead of a thread. I'm gonna have to update it with what he's done in his term so far, but it seems it was right on the money and my worry was warranted. I'm still hopeful it can turn around, I'm always hopeful, but we need to find a way to look beyond Trump for when he is no longer president to maintain the gains and not tread right back to handing it back to the Progressives:

"If Trump shifted in his positions and evolved from MAGA principles at some future point, would his supporters recognize it? He evolved from prior positions and beliefs he held before running for president (to my pleasant surprise) i.e. abortion, bailouts, universal healthcare.

And although he governed quite well as president during his first term, he didn’t always look at things through the lens of the constitution. He has issues on 2A, he seems fine with eminent domain, and he had some questionable hires for his administration. I hope he’d govern as he did before but I’d also like for him to improve on the things he didn’t quite do. He didn’t do enough to repeal Obamacare and didn’t do enough to weed out the deep state and anything he did for the the border has been undone to the point of being worse as soon as he was gone.

There are reasons I worry for his 2nd term. Talking about a new building for the FBI is a little weird all things considered. He also hasn’t clearly articulated some of his plans to actually take on the deep state. He hasn’t debated and rested on his laurels of prior success.

If he just does more of the same and doesn’t try to enact lasting changes to corrupt Washington DC, would his hardcore supporters just accept it as a win? To his supporters right now he can’t do wrong, and this whole loyalty thing and complicit trust he’s given worries me. Now he has earned that to an extent, but Washington warned us about loyalty to a party (or person) over our national common interest is dangerous, as I think he understood how human nature leads to corruption when power is held for a long time.

Trump has reached a pinnacle of that kind of power and influence with his base that I worry they would be blinded by any pivot to something less principled. Day 1 dictator chants don’t help that. Follow the constitution and the long held principles our nation has thrived on no matter how tempting it is to not.

It just feels like that isn’t being discussed enough especially from his camp of loyalists, that if power is too much for him one moment, it will be missed before it can be stopped. The progressives are already there. They seem to never have a problem uniting and trusting. The point of our republic is to have a competing marketplace of ideas and let the best ideas win in our 50 testing grounds. Adapt and change what doesn’t work but keep the principles that maximize freedom for all. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the focus for either side."

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

If Trump shifted in his positions and evolved from MAGA principles at some future point, would his supporters recognize it? He evolved from prior positions and beliefs he held before running for president (to my pleasant surprise) i.e. abortion, bailouts, universal healthcare. 1/

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger Just because someone is wrong in how they understand something doesn’t change their expression of faith. You aren’t perfect in your understanding yet His grace is enough. Why different for you than for me? “Different Jesus” isn’t an accurate explanation.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger It’s the same identified person who was born to Mary and died in the cross. Some say he’s white some say he’s black some say he’s brown. It doesn’t matter who is correct, it’s still the same Jesus even if they believe different attributes of Him.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@Khyraen @mutantfrog25 @farmingandJesus Catholics not cabinets, voice to text betrayed me.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@Khyraen @mutantfrog25 @farmingandJesus So why did Luther claim the cabinets were categorically wrong? Then he broke off for a reason that’s just because of simple differences and worship styles.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger The gospel you talk about is inconsistent then.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger You are avoiding my question. If faith in Jesus Christ is the requirement and his grace is sufficient for us, doesn’t that grace extend to my fallibility and understanding the Trinity? If it requires perfect fidelity and understanding, that is a work and not faith alone.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger You say all we need is Faith in Him to be saved. I have faith in Him, and maybe I'm wrong in my way to understand him, but I thought that was the point of saved by grace because on our own we aren't good enough, we need Jesus to save us from our imperfections, and isn't that one?

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger Literally you "Im not believing in another God even tho I dont know how to articulate the depths of the theological language" so my point stands, we view the godhood construct as monotheistic, you disagree. Great! Can my "fallibility" of understanding be covered by God's Grace?

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@stackerco Calvinists apparently

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger You didn't answer me You said the articulation of the depths of the theological language of the trinity is something you can't articulate. 3 beings and one god is beyond our logic, maybe the Godhood is our way to articulate it. Wouldn't God's grace cover that fallibility?

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@Manhattva @Thatbrian We'll defend our faith when misrepresented, but we'll also help you if you are in need and not care whether you trashed our beliefs or not.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@mutantfrog25 @farmingandJesus Also, wouldn't space Warcraft be called Starcraft? I did like that game, it was fun.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@TylerFrow @Mormonger So The all Powerful God isn't powerful enough to extend grace to our works and our mental fallibility? We have to have perfect understanding and then have faith in that perfect understanding to be justified in our faith? Sounds like a work to me.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@GoWithJordan_ @Mormonger So you could say our version of the Godhood is the our way to explain one essence three beings. If the logic is beyond us (as you say you don't know how to articulate the depths of it) isn't God's grace enough to cover the fallibility of our understanding according to you?

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@Latterdaytruth I'd contend that relying on the MPAA or whoever to help us choose the right thing is more akin to the Law of Moses, while abiding by the principles of the 13th article of faith is the attempt to live the Spirit of the Law.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@TimReeves_ @JeffN_Clasher So why not join up with the OG Catholics then? Why have all the denominations if they are all the same? Modern Protestantism has reshaped what set them apart to make everyone samesies except those they don't like as much. Except they aren't the same, are they?

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@TimReeves_ @JeffN_Clasher You purposefully misinterpret us. We believe Jesus lived, died and rose from the dead. We believe He is the person that did all those miracles and suffered and hung on the cross and rose on the third day. We may believe more things about him, but its the same person.

[Ben @TableTopLiberty]

@TimReeves_ @_Not_JamesBond_ Its not that we define him differently. There are some things we believe differently about Him, but its the same that came to Earth to save us. You take the differences and say its an entirely different Jesus, but its the one that was born in Bethlehem etc.