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Does Scripture teach the doctrine of the Trinity?

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@tkrussell_ So where are the examples at the trial of people stating his claims of “deity”?

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Why was Jesus killed?

Many Trinitarians say he was killed because he “claimed to be God”

The NT has a very different narrative:

“We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God”

IOW, he claimed to be messiah.

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@andrew_deford Lie.

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

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@SResidentOTUS Yet somehow the writer of John somehow missed the Jesus is God claim when summarizing why he wrote the book.

Sigh.

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@grok @EdwinNUI Right. He claimed to be messiah and son of man,
He was not claiming to be God, the ancient of days.

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@Whizdom01 Yep. A changing God that forgets. Troubling.

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Mark 13:32 explicitly distinguishes the Son from the Father by identifying the Father as the only knower of the day and hour. If the Son possesses the same numerically identical divine intellect as the Father, this distinction becomes impossible to explain.

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Where does the New Testament explicitly teach that the one God is an essence shared by three persons, rather than identifying the Father himself as the one God?

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And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

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And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

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@andrew_deford To “take on limitations” means he changed and cannot be “fully God”.

God cannot be limited in knowledge or he would cease to be God.

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Mark 13:32 is a problem for any “Jesus is fully God“ apologist.

Jesus either lies, or gives up a divine attribute, or there has to be two persons in Jesus or omniscience has to be completely redefined.

Whatever direction you go, the theological cost is quite high.

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@daveddev @JoshMeskerAR Sounds like modes…

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@andrew_deford Ok. Share the relevant information here.

Why doesn’t the Son know something?

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@tkrussell_ The only true God is the Father.

Clear and concise NT teaching.

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If the doctrine of the Trinity was an established and universally understood apostolic teaching, we would reasonably expect to find some explicit apostolic articulation of its defining propositions, particularly given how frequently the apostles addressed other controversies.

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@xcnikahd @patkinsmore One God = Father

Clear and concise.

Repeated often by many NT writers.

So quite plainly taught.

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@wingod ?

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If the apostles intended to teach that God is three coequal, coeternal persons in one indivisible essence, why do we find so many explicit statements identifying the Father as the one God, but no equally explicit apostolic statement identifying the one God as three persons?

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@andrew_deford Ok. Well you are lying to yourself.

The text is clear. Jesus doesn’t know.

You need him to know, but you are unwilling to commit to a reason because they all have too high a price.

The cost of Trinitarianism is high…