I think there are several issues here.
First, saying Candace stood by Erika in the beginning is not "completely false." I watched it happen, and so did many others. In fact, one of the biggest frustrations among Candace's own audience early on was that she wouldn't criticize Erika, even as viewers were raising concerns and urging her to address them. For quite some time, Candace consistently gave Erika the benefit of the doubt and resisted joining in the criticism. Whether you believe she later changed course is a separate question, but it does not erase what actually happened.
Second, your post repeatedly substitutes interpretation for evidence.
"She was obviously pretending to be a friend."
"She was obviously attacking Erika."
"It was obviously meant to attack Erika."
Those are not established facts. They are conclusions you have drawn about Candace's intent. People are free to disagree with her commentary but saying something is "obviously" true does not make it evidence, nor true.
Finally, this entire discussion keeps returning to the same problem.
Andrew tells us Charlie was "walking on eggshells," that he was "placating" Candace, that he privately disagreed with her, and that Charlie shared these thoughts with him after events. Others now argue Charlie only publicly defended Candace because he was afraid of becoming her next "enemy" after seeing "what happened at Daily Wire." (Don't get me started on that one.)
All of these arguments require us to set aside the Charlie we actually knew, the Charlie we watched, heard, and saw consistently model his values for the world to see, and replace him with a different Charlie based on private conversations, personal opinions, and biased interpretations that cannot be independently verified.
"He told me" is not nearly enough to rewrite someone's character after they're gone.
The Charlie we have evidence of publicly was someone who said he would never allow himself to be morally blackmailed into condemning someone. He modeled loyalty, grace, and the ability to disagree without publicly humiliating people or getting into childish arguments. And just weeks before his death, he referred to Candace as a "great friend" on camera. Great.
If the claim is that Charlie secretly believed Candace was obsessed with money or attention, was quietly distancing himself, was only defending her out of fear, and didn't really mean what he said publicly, then that is an extraordinary claim, and that requires extraordinary evidence. So far there has been none.
Charlie left us his own words. He left us his own actions. He left us an example of the kind of man he chose to be; the kind of man other men should strive to be.
I believe those things deserve MUCH more weight than anyone else's retrospective account of what Charlie supposedly, actually, "really" thought.
This is exactly the issue I keep coming back to. This argument assumes the very conclusion it is trying to prove.
It claims Charlie treated Candace with public respect not because it reflected his genuine views, but because he feared becoming her next “enemy.” That is a precise claim about his private motives, and it is presented without evidence.
To sustain that claim, we are asked to disregard Charlie’s own consistent public statements and behavior: that he valued relationships, emphasized grace, and refused to condemn people simply because others demanded it. Treating someone with dignity is not proof of fear or insincerity; it can more easily reflect a deliberate moral stance on handling disagreement.
More importantly, the claim directly conflicts with Charlie’s own words. Up until just weeks before his assassination, he described Candace unequivocally as a “great friend”-not merely a “friend” or a “good friend,” but a “great friend.” That is not neutral or guarded language; it is affirming and explicit, and it undercuts the idea that his posture was driven by fear or concealed hostility.
Appealing to past conflicts, such as the Daily Wire situation, does not solve this problem, either. Using a prior disagreement to infer Charlie’s internal motives requires knowledge we simply do not have. It replaces evidence with speculation. A past conflict does not prove that ANY subsequent interaction was strategic or fear-based.
The most straightforward explanation requires no speculation - Charlie treated Candace with respect because he respected her. That is also how he chose to treat people, even amid disagreement. He repeatedly made clear that he would not allow outside pressure to dictate his relationships or force public condemnation.
If Charlie truly believed Candace was acting in bad faith or was no longer a friend, the strongest evidence would have come from him directly. Without it, claims about what he “must have really thought” are not conclusions, they are projections onto a version of Charlie no one ever actually witnessed, and one that likely never existed.
@Villgecrazylady@RealCandaceO Lord, anoint the outcast, the one they despise-
Candace in the wilderness, openin' eyes-
I'm standin' with Candace!
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If your only role is to "combat evil," then the discussion should be about evidence, not insults.
Disagree with Candace all you want. Refute her facts. Show where she's wrong. But calling her "evil" while dismissing or ignoring the evidence she presents isn't an argument.
Ironically, your post proves her point. Instead of addressing the substance of her claims, you attack her character and motives. If she's wrong, demonstrate it with facts. If she's right, calling her names won't change that.
Truth doesn't fear scrutiny. Neither should anyone seeking it.
The problem I keep having with responses like this is the implication it creates about Charlie himself.
It asks people to believe that Charlie publicly defended Candace, publicly said he would not allow himself to be pressured into abandoning a friendship, and publicly expressed respect for her, but privately held a very different view and was only saying those things for the camera.
If that is the argument, then it is not just a disagreement about Candace. It calls into question Charlie’s own sincerity and character. It suggests that his public words were a performance and that the “real” Charlie was only revealed in private conversations that cannot be verified.
That is a serious claim to make about someone who is no longer here to respond. The evidence we actually have is Charlie’s own recorded words and actions. If someone wants people to believe those were not genuine, the burden should be on them to provide something more than a private recollection.
and reapeat: The problem I keep having with responses like this is the implication it creates about Charlie himself.
It asks people to believe that Charlie publicly defended Candace, publicly said he would not allow himself to be pressured into abandoning a friendship, and publicly expressed respect for her, but privately held a very different view and was only saying those things for the camera.
If that is the argument, then it is not just a disagreement about Candace. It calls into question Charlie’s own sincerity and character. It suggests that his public words were a performance and that the “real” Charlie was only revealed in private conversations that cannot be verified.
That is a serious claim to make about someone who is no longer here to respond. The evidence we actually have is Charlie’s own recorded words and actions. If someone wants people to believe those were not genuine, the burden should be on them to provide something more than a private recollection.
I'll repeat: The problem I keep having with responses like this is the implication it creates about Charlie himself.
It asks people to believe that Charlie publicly defended Candace, publicly said he would not allow himself to be pressured into abandoning a friendship, and publicly expressed respect for her, but privately held a very different view and was only saying those things for the camera.
If that is the argument, then it is not just a disagreement about Candace. It calls into question Charlie’s own sincerity and character. It suggests that his public words were a performance and that the “real” Charlie was only revealed in private conversations that cannot be verified.
That is a serious claim to make about someone who is no longer here to respond. The evidence we actually have is Charlie’s own recorded words and actions. If someone wants people to believe those were not genuine, the burden should be on them to provide something more than a private recollection.
@Faceless_Man007@RealCandaceO@AmberBurch I think you put this on the wrong post. it should have gone here ---> Blake Neff
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As Charlie once told us, "Candace is very easy to understand once you realize all she cares about is money."
I'll repeat: The problem I keep having with responses like this is the implication it creates about Charlie himself.
It asks people to believe that Charlie publicly defended Candace, publicly said he would not allow himself to be pressured into abandoning a friendship, and publicly expressed respect for her, but privately held a very different view and was only saying those things for the camera.
If that is the argument, then it is not just a disagreement about Candace. It calls into question Charlie’s own sincerity and character. It suggests that his public words were a performance and that the “real” Charlie was only revealed in private conversations that cannot be verified.
That is a serious claim to make about someone who is no longer here to respond. The evidence we actually have is Charlie’s own recorded words and actions. If someone wants people to believe those were not genuine, the burden should be on them to provide something more than a private recollection.
The question is not whether private conversations should be shared casually. The question is why they became relevant in the first place.
When someone publicly makes claims about a deceased person’s feelings (Andrew speaking for Charlie), friendships, and private thoughts, and uses those claims to shape how others view that person’s relationships, it is reasonable for people affected by those claims to provide context and evidence.
The bigger concern is that one side is asking people to accept private conversations and personal interpretations as proof, while criticizing others for sharing information that directly contradicts those claims.
If Charlie’s own words are being used to defend the idea that he valued a friendship with Candace, then those words matter.
The problem with this explanation is the implication it creates about Charlie himself.
It asks people to believe that Charlie publicly defended Candace, publicly said he would not allow himself to be pressured into abandoning a friendship, and publicly expressed respect for her, but privately held a very different view and was only saying those things for the camera.
If that is the argument, then it is not just a disagreement about Candace. It calls into question Charlie’s own sincerity and character. It suggests that his public words were a performance and that the “real” Charlie was only revealed in private conversations that cannot be verified.
That is a serious claim to make about someone who is no longer here to respond. The evidence we actually have is Charlie’s own recorded words and actions. If someone wants people to believe those were not genuine, the burden should be on them to provide something more than a private recollection.
A president should be scrutinized. No administration is immune from political opposition or bureaucratic resistance. Those are real dynamics in any government.
But scrutiny and accountability are not the same thing as unfair targeting. A leader being attacked by opponents does not mean every criticism is invalid, and supporting a leader does not mean every criticism comes from bad faith.
The standard has to be consistent: we should question actions, demand evidence, and expect transparency regardless of who holds power. If we believe institutions can be corrupted or weaponized, then that should make us even more committed to accountability, not less.