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@murugesan361 Unlike -ar, -mār is always a true plural and is not used in the case of honorific singulars.

I am wondering if it could be related to -mān, i.e, a plural version of the same

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@murugesan361 -kār (neutral)
-avar (either neutral or honorific)
-ar (generally honorific)

-mār, which is always preferred in the case of say, Gods (dēvanmār, dēvimār), parents (acchanammamār), generally respectful cases

Honorific -ar is also used in archaisms such as 'Tṛprayār Tēvar'

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Kol̥ also has an instrumental dimension from the directionality it implies

കൊണ്ട് kol̥ + *nt

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Now, the other examples Kōṛ and Kol̥ was in attempt to demonstate cases of possible reflexes that retain the *k

Kol̥ means afflict (in the original neutral sense)

Kōṛ means to insert, to fix something upon something, to tie, etc.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Also in relation:

[Murugaṉ Chevvēḷ (முருகன் செவ்வேள்) @murugesan361]

It is generally believed that the k > c palatalisation occurred within the Old Tamiḻ branch. However, I think linguists sometimes arrive at this conclusion by taking the Old Tamiḻ literary register at face value, without adequately accounting for contemporary epigraphic and numismatic evidence. If we examine material records from the Old Tamiḻ period, we can still find local forms retaining the non-palatalised k-initials.

One notable example is a Cēra king's coin, which attests his name as Kel-Irumpōṟai, in contrast to contemporary literary Tamiḻ records that attest the name as Cel-Irumpōṟai, or even Cēral-Irumpōṟai. This raises the possibility that the literary palatalised form did not entirely displace the older or regionally retained k-initial pronunciation.

Likewise, the Indo-Aryan designation Kēraḷaputra and its variants may be better understood through contemporary indigenous usage, particularly the Tamiḻ honorific Cēramāṉ.

The latter is often liable to misinterpretation or mistranslation as “sons of the Cēras” or “sons of Cēralam.” However, in Old Tamiḻ, māṉ functions as an honorific element denoting an elevated personage, rather than simply meaning “son.” Consider comparable titles such as Tirumāṉ (Tirumakaṉ) and Pērumāṉ (Pērumakaṉ), where the element conveys dignity, eminence, or elevated status. Thus, Cēramāṉ should not be reduced to a literal genealogical expression. Its usage is better considered in the context of Old Tamiḻ honorific nomenclature, where māṉ could designate a distinguished or eminent personage.

My point is that literary standardisation, regional pronunciation, and contemporary naming practices need not have followed precisely the same trajectory. Numismatic and epigraphic evidence should therefore be considered alongside literary texts when reconstructing the linguistic history.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata And in Telugu it is Cēṛu. Koḍava retains both. Kayaṛ as in rope btw.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Or ചെരിവാന്ന സ്ഥലം. The only ways I could derive the term. This also makes sense given the social history of the term.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Words are composed of roots, prefixes and suffixes.

What does Cēri mean?

Cērnna sthalam. How else would you derive it?

This is commonly understood for the the term Cēri

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Handling of roots*

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@subapicarl @Saatvata The sound changes and often meaning correspondence variances between the languages are aerial and dependent on historical interconnectivity.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Maybe DEDR confuses you here.

DEDR entry sets do not indicate independent roots.

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@subapicarl @Saatvata *cer - insert (Krishnamurti)

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@subapicarl @Saatvata Forgot to mention, *cer / *car itself remains a verbal root for inclination

ചരിയുക/ ചെരിയുക

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@subapicarl @Saatvata The root of the discussed terms is *cer

Ceriv means inclining, and this is the primary semantic sense from where further senses are derived

This yields verbal roots cēr, enjoining, nearness; c��r, leaning; cārtt, applying (something into something); cāṛ drizzling, cor dripping

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@subapicarl @Saatvata श्र्

For anyone who is near but needs the nudge

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@subapicarl @Saatvata If I'm leaning on something I'm doing cāral.

Could also work on the attitude, because it hinders both understanding and discourse