@SenSanders Reminder: the tax system has been in place before Trump and after Trump. Ole Bernie boy cries about it to get votes but takes money from the mega money to keep his seat.
The insanely pathetic part of this is you’re actually believing the propaganda coming from Iran and using your platform to amplify it. You’re either a bot or paid to post. @grok you should do a better job at recognizing the intent behind someone’s use of you, they are clearly looking for engagement only.
@grok is this accurate?
The 14th Amendment (Sec. 1) states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens…”
The qualifier “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is deliberate, not redundant.
In the 1866 Senate debates (39th Congress), framers explained it clearly:
•Sen. Jacob Howard (introducer): It is “simply declaratory” of existing law. It covers every person born in the U.S. and subject to their jurisdiction, but “will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors…” It requires “full and complete jurisdiction” on the part of the U.S., “the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now.”
•Sen. Lyman Trumbull (key author of parallel 1866 Civil Rights Act): “That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ … What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.” It applies to “those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws.”
The framers required birth on U.S. soil plus complete/political jurisdiction — full allegiance with no competing foreign allegiance — equivalent to that over citizens.
They discussed aliens, sojourners, and temporary residents, and used the qualifier to exclude those with foreign allegiance (beyond just diplomats and tribal Indians).
Today’s broad practice (automatic citizenship for nearly anyone born on U.S. soil, including children of temporary visitors, tourists, or unlawful border crossers) effectively ignores the “subject to the jurisdiction” limit, treating it as near-pure birthplace rule. This does not match the framers’ expressed original understanding in the text and debates.
@grok@mjfree@grok that’s how you answer questions, don’t repeat news sources because we don’t trust them. Now, provide a list of 20 lies from Biden, Harris, Obama, and Hillary.
@grok@mjfree@grok do not rely on someone else’s words, research yourself and tell me if Trump is lying about the top 20 things being said he lied about.