@RealRangoStarr I don't think of God as an inexplicably brute fact. I arrive at theism precisely by a search for an explanation of why/how something could be ultimate. Against theism is the problem of evil.
@RealRangoStarr More carefully: totals *normally* depend on a condition, which explains why there is no chance that an infinite causal chain of turtles will ever exist or did exist. If some total is an exception, what explains that?
@RealRangoStarr How do you avoid the paradox applied to the total? Totals of conditions -- whether made of people, planets, or particles -- depend on a prior condition irrespective of their quantity.
I've never encountered an ocean w/o a wave. By reason, however, it is evident that an ocean's existence does *not* DEPEND on its waves.
Similarly, I've never encountered a conscious being w/o a brain. Should we infer that a conscious being *does* DEPEND on its brain?
If so, why the difference?
@Derekjgreat "We know about things that happened before anyone could have experienced them." Like what?
We can affect brain activity by adjusting thoughts, and so the interaction is symmetric at best. I'm looking for a symmetry-breaker -- a reason for your belief that matter is prior.
Thanks. I'm wondering how you arrive at that. To clarify, in my view, brains are processes carried out by minds, and that the universe is rendered entirely in being's minds. Without minds, there is no experience of a universe, and there is no nothing w/o experience. I could be wrong in my view, and I've not share much in support of it here.
But I'm curious how you would support an opposite view. Why think minds are processes carried out by a brain? That just doesn't seem intuitive to me or plausible from anything we know in neuroscience and neurobiology.
@Derekjgreat I don't think it is a fact that there is a physical substrate. I also don't think any matter can exist without a mind, given my understanding of the nature of matter. But you think otherwise. I'm wondering why.
@Derekjgreat I understand you have those beliefs, but I was curious to see if you had some evidence to back them up. Why think *any* matter could exist without a mind behind it?