@kackjeating27 Like so many talented people, he got visited by the Mulholland Drive cowboy, and he listened to him, and now it's just endless shit. I hope to god his kids grow up with good taste and he starts being in movies again to impress them.
New details on Adam Wingard's ‘ONSLAUGHT’:
• Takes place in the same town as ‘The Guest’
• Dan Stevens plays a mad scientist in prosthetics with Rebecca Hall as his dominatrix handler
• Drew Starkey plays a sex positive terrorist on MDMA who works with the government
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos My rationale for that interpretation is that he visualises the supernatural with ANIMATRONIC CYCLOPS and ARMIES OF THE DEAD and PIG BODY HORROR, while the gods are elliptically present. Given that you're ignoring my point and providing no counterexamples, let's call it a day.
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos Sorcery is a human craft which Nolan treats as different to the gods. That's why Odysseus doesn't get given moly to deal with Circe, he just figures it out. Polyphemus being related to Poseidon is definitely true in Homer - his whole genealogy is stated - but in this it's a guess
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos The 'direct punishment' you're talking about is ambiguated by the movie! When Odysseus wonders whether he really wants to go home, and when he repeatedly says "my men THOUGHT that I had been cursed by Poseidon," the viewer is given concrete psychological reasons to doubt.
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos ...that Polyphemus is, he would have had Hermes talk to Calypso, or Athena turn into a bird, or have the gods talking in Olympus. Instead he treats them in an ambivalent way (match-cut between Zendaya and the statue being beheaded) to suggest that it's no longer so clear-cut.
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos The trust isn't a deal that the Achaeans and the Trojans have, it's shared faith in a god. The presence of sorcery and fantastical elements as objective facts, while the gods are implied, is part of what Nolan is doing. If he wanted the gods to be definitely present in the way...
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos That specific act of breaking xenia is synecdoche for discarding a world where human relationships to each other were mediated by relationship to the divine. The thing Nolan takes out is the gods as consensus reality. That's why the ambiguity, not the total negation, matters.
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos ...the Trojan horse as a precedent-setting moment, and ground zero for the replacement of the dyadic god/human relationship for one where psychology is everything, and human relationship to the divine is only based on personal belief.
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos Likewise, hearing thunder makes people act as if Zeus is watching, but it may well just be thunder. My point isn't that there are definitely no gods, but that the movie relies on the mechanism of doubt. Athena could equally be real or a metaphor for Odysseus' own intellection
@amphitritemuse@fiendformojitos There is no instance in the film where the intervention of the gods is not explicable by human thought or natural chance. That's the effect of taking the personified Olympians out. Telemachus suggests that Athena intervenes as the beggar and Mentor, but that's a guess.