@HwsEleutheroi One word: Trust. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Children don’t need to understand the mechanism by which it works. If any one of them have continued in that simple trust in the creator, then we can explain the details to them when we see them again.
You are conflating thought and action, and ignoring faith.
Romans 3:22,26 NASB95
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; [26] for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one _who has faith in Jesus._
_Acting_ correctly is simply not an option open to a fallen being. But TRUSTING the one who can is a _thought_ well within the purview of our personal sovereignty.
With it God can in justice justify the ungodly. You know that’s how it works if you’ve ever seen someone turn themselves in for a crime. We instinctively acknowledge their guilt, but stop pursuing them and even DEFEND them and look forward to their return to society.
How is it that trusting Jesus is something that is specially and particularly excluded from our personal options in your system, anyway? It would seem to me that it is actually the ONLY option which we really have any influence over.
I’m not condoning it, or suggesting it’s okay, but I believe the taboo against self-ending was promoted by clergy in the Middle Ages in response to the actions of miserable members of the working class.
There’s no Biblical support for it being an unforgivable sin. (None against, either…)
You seem to be stuck on the sovereignty issue. How about this as a metaphor: As beings created in the image of God, we have our own subset of sovereignty. This is a necessary aspect of the image reflected in us. So there is no conflict in suggesting that we have the capacity of choice while also agreeing that God is fully sovereign over all things.
I don’t see it as a line or a division at all. You are welcome to, but that inappropriately implies a partition of a kind which I see no evidence for.
You seem to be stuck on the sovereignty issue. How about this as a metaphor: As beings created in the image of God, we have our own subset of sovereignty. This is a necessary aspect of the image reflected in us. So there is no conflict in suggesting that we have the capacity of choice while also agreeing that God is fully sovereign over all things.
I don’t see it as a line or a division at all. You are welcome to, but that inappropriately implies a partition of a kind which I see no evidence for.
No, my claim is that you are talking to me, not Him. You are treating a social problem as an academic one. Would you ignore your mother your entire life while building a career out of “mother analysis” and then have the audacity to claim a special favored status in her affections? Of course not, but you do the same to Jesus without so much as a second thought.
@nickybyloo@Joseph_Spurgeon@sola_chad It is the person Jesus Christ. He knocks, but people just keep talking about Him, not with Him.
Matthew 7:23 NKJV
And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Yes, but if you aren’t sure that you have the personal self-control to do so, know that you CAN ASK a greater power than yourself to act upon your own unruly nature. Faith, and repentance, are themselves gifts for the asking. The error of Calvinism is in part the conflation of the will and the nature of man, as Paul speaks about:
Romans 7:18-25 NKJV
“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. [19] For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. [20] Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. [21] I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. [22] For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. [23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? [25] I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Immanuel Kant: OUGHT implies CAN.
If we cannot do something then the command that we ought to do it makes no sense.
Consequently it makes no sense for God to command us to love Him with all our hearts when God has not given many the grace to do that.
Calvinism refuted.
@TheMuppetPastor What a wonder. To receive out of the mouth of a dead man (in the same fashion as the prophecy of Caiphas) the inspired word that I never left the fold. I needed this today. God bless you sir!
@autocorrect2_0@TheMuppetPastor guys. This is how you get divisions and factions. If you read closely, EVERY part of this can be solved (NO MATTER how bad you may think it is) if you appeal to God in simple faith. HIS initiative toward a person who trusts Him covers ALL cases. If you refrain from defining His options for Him, this isn’t a controversy.
No. Men don’t hate women.
They’re afraid.
And I wish women would stop for a moment and imagine what the last several years have looked like from their perspective.
A man knows that once a woman is pregnant, his voice over whether his own unborn child lives may effectively disappear. He sees women cheering laws that permit abortion very late in pregnancy and hears arguments about circumstances in which it could happen even near birth.
You cannot answer the terror in that with statistics.
He is imagining his child and realizing that his desire to protect that child gives him no veto.
Then he watches children treated as though they possess the adult foresight to make decisions capable of changing their sexual development, fertility and future ability to become mothers or fathers. He watches adults call that agency. He sees healthy breasts removed from some adolescent girls and parents who object called transphobic.
Many women championed this.
Again, imagine being a father.
He is told that wanting to preserve possibilities his child cannot even comprehend yet is not protection but bigotry.
And now he hears Patrick Clancy’s 911 call.
A father who had gone out for food and medicine for his children comes home and discovers the unimaginable.
Then men open their phones and see women saying they “relate” to Lindsay, rallying around her, insisting she is innocent, even insinuating that somehow the father must be responsible.
What do we expect men to feel?
I would hope they are horrified.
I would hope something ancient and protective rises up in them and says:
No. The children.
That is not some boogeyman called “patriarchy.”
That is a lie.
It is paternal.
A father’s impulse to protect his children is not oppression. A potential father’s horror at imagining himself powerless to protect children he does not even have yet is not misogyny.
It is love mixed with terror.
And women are frightened too.
I say this as a rape survivor who lived through MeToo. I know what female social pressure feels like. I know how quickly another woman’s pain can be recruited into a collective narrative and how quickly hesitation can be called betrayal.
Women are human. We are capable of extraordinary tenderness, courage and protection. We are also capable of conformity, cruelty, status-seeking and being swept into a crowd.
Those of us whose families lived under totalitarianism recognize the danger here.
The Great Narrative takes an ordinary moral response and gives it an ideological name.
Paternal protection becomes “patriarchy.”
Fear becomes “misogyny.”
Protecting a child’s future becomes “transphobia.”
Female dissent becomes betrayal of women.
And pretty soon men look at women and think we have become monsters, while women look back and conclude that men hate us.
That is the trap.
Don’t fall for it.
Do not let the most grotesque women performing online convince you that they represent women. Do not let the angriest frightened men convince you that they represent hatred.
Fear is not hatred.
Paternal is not patriarchy.
And you cannot cure terror by shaming people for feeling it.
We should be coming together here, because underneath all of these political abstractions is something remarkably simple:
Children are not ideological material.
Do not kill them.
Do not destroy their future possibilities because a theory tells you it is compassionate.
Do not teach them to fear becoming mothers or fathers.
And do not teach men and women to fear one another for wanting to protect them.
The children come first.
We do not have to live by lies.
Yes. But it is coming in a way that is not approved of by most of these “evangelists”. It’s coming in the hearts of people who don’t know or understand all our silly words. It’s coming to former rainbow people who need forgiveness. It’s coming from outside the church because the church won’t let it start.
@TheEstebanLargo@WesleyLHuff You think you are helping by throwing around made up words, but those words don’t MEAN anything. And now here you tell me WHO not be, but still won’t use actual words to correct any actual error someone might be in. It’s worse than not talking at all.