Zach

Let’s get a coffee.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@BrettKunkle I agree, but would recommend actually explaining why in your tweet instead of just asserting so. Would be helpful for convo.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@masonmennenga For clarity, which passages are you referring to?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @Sean_McDowell Gotcha. I just think "we don't know" sounds more like a simple empirical observation than a skeptical posture or "stance." 

And I suppose I'd want to know what you think constitutes a "big worldview question" in the first place?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @Sean_McDowell oh interesting! In what way is Christianity not comprehensive?

And it seems like "we don't know" doesn't really reach the level of worldview. But whether or not we *can* know requires a worldview-level claim, I would think?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@wil_da_beast630 how do you define a "black American?"

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @Sean_McDowell Would you agree that worldviews are comprehensive conceptions of reality, and therefore, by definition, must provide answers to the "big questions" (where'd we come from, where are we going, why are we here, etc.)?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @Sean_McDowell what is a worldview to you, Justin?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@NeilShenvi Neil, what makes someone "black?"

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @bethallisonbarr It's contradictory to argue for legal equality on the one hand, but distinct roles in church leadership on the other? Is that what you're saying?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@biblical_unity what is the Hebrew Israelite heresy?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @DennyBurk I think all I'm trying to say is that, when it comes to church policy, it doesn't matter whether or not a doctrine is primary or secondary. Some doctrines, whether primary or secondary, will force leadership decisions; others, whether primary or secondary, won't.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @DennyBurk unless you're talking about a universally sufficient* atonement vs a universally effective* atonement, i.e., everyone gets into heaven. But Calvinism vs Arminianism is def secondary.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @DennyBurk I would say the doctrines of hell and the resurrection are primary in nature, whereas the scope of the atonement is secondary.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @DennyBurk Haha. I just don't see what policy would be affected by whether Christ died for some or for all. Calvinists don't claim to know who among the unsaved will become Christian. In my mind the church's policy and mission would be the same either way

[Zach @zagusto123]

@tchsmorris @DennyBurk That's a good point, Justin. I'm sure most in the SBC would admit that soteriology is more important eternally. But It doesn't force church leadership to make clear policy decisions like the question of female pastors does.

[Zach @zagusto123]

@RickWarren You mean commentaries from people like Keener, Witherington, etc?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@masonmennenga @DrPronoun example?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@between2worlds Have you read Kostenberger's "Women in the Church," which covers this passage?

[Zach @zagusto123]

@JasonLingel @MikeWingerii haha thanks!

[Zach @zagusto123]

@MikeWingerii Mike, what would be a good resource that you'd recommend on this topic? I have Kostenberger's "Women in the Church" on my shelf, but haven't read it yet.