@Joshlyre@Solar_Sas@biggestjoel@STANN_co Yeah, but that's you getting used to it. If a film trigers the same response to everyone, it's highly probable that there's something objective about it, the human psychology and so on. Anyway, our original conern was values though.
@Joshlyre@Solar_Sas@biggestjoel@STANN_co For example, I could easily imagine the more primal stuff would still work for a very long time, in fact, they work even you don't speak the language or the culture is totally foreign to you. Jump scare, creepy music, gore, etc.
@Joshlyre@Solar_Sas@biggestjoel@STANN_co Sure, but were they genuinely scary to people back then, the same degree when we watch idk Silence of the Lamb? What I want to distinguish is: was it a good horror film back then but turned increasingly bad to newer audience, or was it just a bad film to begin with?
@Joshlyre@Solar_Sas@biggestjoel@STANN_co If there's no objective scariness, why would old horror films still work? Of course, I don't expect people 1000 years in the future would fully understand a horror film of our time but that's more of cultural gap problem, like we wouldn't even get the fart joke in Old English.
@Solar_Sas@biggestjoel@STANN_co Wait, what kind of objective are we talking about? (1) objective because it's mind-independent, or (2) objective because it applies to everyone. (2) is a much weaker claim.
@biggestjoel@Solar_Sas@STANN_co It depends on your cosmology, I've been reading Nagel lately, he rejected materialist naturalism (facts and values are distinct) and theism (facts and value are one), and proposed/returned to natural teleolgy: there's only natural stuff but values are nonetheless objective.
I see this more so as a weather vane for our society than actually taking these people seriously. This girl is probably going to be f***ing a Chad when she gets lonely next but the fact she can say this, knowing her entire female network supports her is really horrifying as a high water mark for how crazy this stuff has gotten. Hating the other sex purely for their own nature is pure nihilism since by not cooperating with them you are in fact killing your own genetic odds. It’s self loathing directed
Maybe I should bring back some whimsy to life...
For too long I've focused on big important things out threre, be it abstract or concrete, forgetting the "me" in me that I'm too an experiencing being with an internal world and a subjective perspective outward.