@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza No. Verses 28-29 is also true of the sheep of today. Verse 27 is referring to those who knew God before Christ came.
Nothing in the text says God chose who would or wouldn't be His sheep or that He only died for those sheep. Calvinism does not follow.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza No. Sheep today receive eternal life. Sheep today aren't the sheep who at that time were separated. There's no issue.
Once again you're assuming an unstated premise that many other passages refute.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza You're still missing the word "only" and as I said before, many other passages refute the idea that He died only for His sheep.
Christ was resurrected for everyone but Calvinism says He only died for a few. It splits the work of Christ.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza How do I know He's talking about those alive during that time? Because He makes them one fold. Has He made them one fold? Yes. That's the new covenant church. Are there any sheep today who aren't together in the single fold? No.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza Those who did not follow God under the OC did not believe. Not a hard concept.
Because that was the only time in history at which anyone could have been a true follower of God prior to trusting Christ
You're assumption is the sheep had no relationship w/ God prior to Christ
@ThePastorBurris@MethodMinistry Who are you, oh man to say he shouldn't do what God determined him to do? You need to quit loving your own will and hating God's.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza Jesus is saying this fulfills Is 54:13. It's a promise being fulfilled. Who was it promised to? OC jews.
Again, yes God had true worshippers prior to Christ.
17 does not say they are given in the future. He's referring back to those already given. Hence "given" = past tense.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza Why insert prior faith?
John 6:45 it is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Did u learn of the Father before coming to Christ? No. Only those coming from OC to NC did
@5Solas John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Did you learn of the Father before you came to Christ?
It refers to faithful of the OC being brought into the NC.
@BillVigus@CBT_91@DineshDSouza In what way does it answer my time limit claim?
Exactly, they are true worshippers of God before Christ came. In what way does that prove calvinism?
@BakerCulle90143@LostMyHats Many are in the bag for Israel. As a matter of fact, most calvinist prooftexts are easily explained away from a nondispensationalist paradigm.
Dispensationalism actually cultivates calvinism.