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🦬 Confessional Christian. Abolitionist. Slave of Christ. 🦬

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Jesus: This is my body and blood
John: That's His body and blood
Paul: That's His body and blood
Ignatius: That's His body and blood
Nicaea: That's His body and blood
Augustine: That's His body and blood
Aquinas: That's His body and blood
IV Lateran: That's His body and blood
Constance: That's His body, but NO CUP FOR YOU!
Leo X: Could I interest you in an indulgence?
Trent: That's His body, one kind is enough, indulgences are fine, and objections are anathema

Protestants: That's His body and blood, a free gift to all.

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Jesus: This is my body
John: That's His body
Paul: That's His body
Ignatius: That's His body
Nicaea: That's His body
Augustine: That's His body
Aquinas: That's His body
IV Lateran: That's His body
Trent: That's His body
Catholics: That's His body
Protestants: No it isn't

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Stop the name calling

Correct. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. And the New Testament was originally written in Greek.

Of course, both affirm and explain man is made in the image of God

But I dont think you understand what that meant when written … and means eternally.

Christian View: God is the only uncreated, eternal being (Isaiah 43:10). He has always been God and there are no other gods before or after Him.

Mormon View: God the Father has a physical body of flesh and bone. He progressed to become God, and humans can follow the same path.

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“Better to be pragmatic” … about murder?

That said, you are correct that every good abolitionist ought to work diligently at the state level to abolish state sanctioned murder of children. Imagine the kind of people who’d migrate to the first state to provide that universal human right. And imagine the kinds of people who’d be scared away!

Thy Kingdom Come.

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@Chat_Man217 @LizzieMarbach @Mormonger Correct. Greek and Hebrew are different languages.

Duh

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@ErickYbarra3 And criteria would have to work at the time of the council and not hundreds of years later.

What I mean is that if the criteria is conciliar agreement over 1000 years … and that’s what means the council was ecumenical … that’s really bad criteria.

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@Chat_Man217 @LizzieMarbach @Mormonger Correct. Tell me you don’t know Hebrew without telling me you don’t know Hebrew.

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@Chat_Man217 @LizzieMarbach @Mormonger Tell me you don’t know Greek without telling me you don’t know Greek.

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@LizzieMarbach @ThoughtfulSaint I seriously wonder who is funding the “Mormons are Christians too” movement.

Pay attention to what Mike Lee and Crapo and Curtis authorize and approve over the next few years.

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Galatians 1:8 🎯

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@lsanger I totally agree. Most orthodox are chill family types … orthobros are like the lady pastors of orthodox.

Very few of the faithful support their ways … but somehow they get the most attention.

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You are well aware of the creedal commitments required to be Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity.

Mormons affirm Christ's divinity in a redefined sense, the firstborn spirit son of the Father who progressed to godhood. That is the position Nicaea condemned in Arius. A son who is not eternally God is NOT Jesus. Arians are not Christians. Mormons are not Christians.

And there are many more problems in the official doctrine, the scripture you have canonized.

The Father has a body of flesh and bones (D&C 130:22). But God is spirit (John 4:24). Mormon position is not Christian because it contradicts Scripture.

Men may become gods (D&C 132:20). But God says before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10). Mormon position is not Christian because it contradicts Scripture.

The Gods organized the earth from existing material rather than creating from nothing (Abraham 4). Yet the God of Scripture alone is the source of everything that is.

New scripture stands alongside the Bible (Articles of Faith 8) and more is promised (Articles of Faith 9). But the faith was once for all delivered (Jude 3), and even an angel preaching another gospel is accursed (Galatians 1:8).

And there are more problems still, in the authoritative teachings of your leadership.

Joseph Smith taught that God himself was once a man, and Lorenzo Snow set it in a couplet, as man now is, God once was. But the Lord says I change not (Malachi 3:6). A being who climbed to godhood is not the God who always was.

Your First Presidency teaches that you are the literal offspring of Heavenly Parents, a Mother in Heaven beside the Father (the 1995 Proclamation). But beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).

This is not a difference of emphasis. It is a different God, a different Christ, and a different gospel.

Repent and believe the Gospel.

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I know some Buddhists who “follow Jesus”

The question is whether you are fully convinced of the finished work by Jesus on the cross. Whether Jesus is fully God and fully Man.

You see, those are a few of the required beliefs to be a Christian.

More importantly, those are a few of the required beliefs for eternal life.

Repent and believe the gospel

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Augustine (and many of the early church fathers) spent too much time penning their internal thoughts and not enough time editing.

Paul’s epistles (and Scrioture generally) have more useful truth per pound than any of the droning “philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men”

Weird. It’s almost like they were breathed out by someone with perfect and all powerful attributes …

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@Ray437677951852 @redeemed_zoomer @ItsRobbAllen Whoa! I did not know about that. Very grave sin.

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@DJfromIndy My advice is to get involved in the church leadership and reform. That’s what the early church leaders had to do again and again.

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@farmingandJesus Yes. I’m an abolitionist.

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@Acolyte_1 @mithrawnudo True. But that just goes to show how obvious it is that Mormons are not Christian.

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I think many of these Mormon politicians (@BasedMikeLee and @MittRomney @RepAndyBiggsAZ @MikeCrapo etc) are a bit scared the lid is going to come off and people are going to learn what Mormons actually believe.

Mormon theology teaches premortal spirit existence, Heavenly Parents, a corporeal Heavenly Father, Jesus and Satan as spirit sons of God, human exaltation toward godhood, eternal plural marriage/multiple wives sealed, multiple heavenly kingdoms, additional extra Biblical writings treated as scripture, and restoration through Joseph Smith.

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@farmingandJesus Very nice and healthy!

But my understanding is that they don’t believe in the gospel. There is a Christian YouTuber named @Canonandcreed who has a ton of content re SDA (he grew up in it or something)

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@KoceCate @ByJimbob @NateBornAgain Let's just focus on the 8th century forward so I can justify my medieval hocus pocus as having a precedent please.

Good grief!

Repent and return to the Body of Christ. Believe the Gospel. Follow the Way.

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@manofsteeele Whoa. Wait a second. I’ve never heard this “everything is sinful in some sense”

Please elaborate !