CollectingTrek.ca

A Star Trek fan for life. A Star Trek collector for almost as long.
I tell the stories behind my best collectibles--and I hang out more where the sky is azure

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https://t.co/Ez98aZa0ia showcases the best bits of my #StarTrek TOS collection. Way more posts coming.
Drop by, look around and tell me about your collection or your favorite Star Trek experience.

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@SubcommanderT @supervisor194 @MajeurTom That is really interesting. I have never considered the effect of that version of the music.

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@EsqDba @Lord_Vader_MD @SubcommanderT Well, no. The Blu-ray discs, which are HD, have both versions: original and redone effects. The pic in my original post is from the Blu-ray discs.

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@MajeurTom @SubcommanderT I understand that opinion, and that’s the best example.
But, for me, saying the new effects are good isn’t the point. Of course they are.
The point is that they aren’t from the original series. It would be the same as remaking the episodes with new actors.

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@Lord_Vader_MD @SubcommanderT It is not about whether they were done well or respectfully—for me. Because mostly they were.

It’s that they were done at all. Again, for me, you either like the original series or you don’t. The effects are simply part of the original.

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@Jim_Rosenow @SubcommanderT Correct!

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Original effects. Always original effects.

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@hollywoodscifi True — because it’s a fake version of a real photo.

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@ChrisCushman2 @SubcommanderT @Gaaron_G Bjo is Star Trek royalty. But she was not production staff.
The show bible, third revision, dated April 17, 1967, almost two years after filming Where No Man Has Gone Before, clearly states Starship class.
Again, if you just really like Constitution, great. Be happy. We’re good.

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@ChrisCushman2
I wasn’t going to reply, because I am perfectly happy for people to like Constitution. We are all fans and, as I wrote, I too believed the Enterprise was Constitution when I was a kid, because 70s fandom told me so. But I respect your knowledge and passion... 1/4

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@Gaaron_G @SubcommanderT @ChrisCushman2 All of these are valid points, but I would just add that Starfleet is not the US Navy and that this all takes place hundreds of years from now, so traditions and guidelines can evolve.
But did the Trek producers mess up in going with Starship class? Quite possibly.

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@ChrisCushman2 1966. It wasn’t there in The Cage. 😃
Lots of people believe Elvis is still alive.
Let’s leave this. Have a good day.

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@ChrisCushman2 Yes, it is in a script's stage direction. And yes, Bjo, a bonified Star Trek hero, wrote that, in a stapled, self-reproduced pamphlet. I own a copy.
But consider that against the show bible, the designer's statement, and the bridge plaque. What's the balance of evidence?
🙂

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@ChrisCushman2 Again, I am not trying to convince you. I understand the attachment to Constitution class. I had it too. Knowing it was important and made me stand out from other fans.
But--for me now--it's simply not true. The bridge plaque, Jefferies' diagram, and the show bible prove intent.

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@SubcommanderT So...yes. But for me, the legibility is less important. The point is that it was there, prominent on the bridge: a 15-inch sign, proclaiming STARSHIP CLASS.
1960s technology makes it fuzzy -- but the intent could not be clearer.

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I will drop this soon but, again, I am genuinely interested in what other knowledgeable fans think.
For me, the debate begins and ends with the statements of the guy who created the show and the guy who designed the ship. And they could not be clearer. 4/4

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But, am I correct that you are placing that drawing, created during the heat and hurry of making an episode, above Matt Jefferies' own illustration of the ship, the show bible created by Gene Roddenberry, and the writing literally on the wall of every bridge scene? 3/4

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I struggle with this.

I love the minutiae, trivia and production history, and caring about that protects the essence of Star Trek.

But, constant “Well, actually…” nitpicking can drain the fun from this thing, and leads to arguments with others who love this. And that’s bad.

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CANON AND CONSISTENCY. I think TOS is surprisingly self-consistent, especially in comparison with other tv shows of the era, and I appreciate the world building it establishes, but of course it has many little contradictions that make the idea of “canon” a bit slippery…

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@STvSW @SothManigan @SubcommanderT Okay, that’s fair.
“Constitution” is never mentioned on screen.

I always liked McCoy’s “Who’s been holding up the damn elevator?” in ST II.

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Prompted by repeated sightings, even from knowledgeable #StarTrek fans, I feel compelled to say again: the Enterprise is not a Constitution-class ship.
https://t.co/JmJvK3JMBK

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@STvSW @SothManigan @SubcommanderT Emotionally unsatisfying is a good way to put it. But ultimately I guess it is a production tidbit. Roddenberry wrote this in the show bible, and it’s very clear:

The U.S.S. Enterprise is a spaceship, official designation “starship class.”