Groypers and Islamists talk about Israel in 1967 as if it were today’s Israel
Israel was less than 20 years old in 1967. Its population was about 2.5 million people, and narrow enough in places that a jihadist army could threaten its heartland very quickly. Its military depended heavily on reservists because its standing army was small.
They were fighting a three-front war against three Islamic countries. Israel’s air force was small compared with the combined Arab air forces. The only way to be effective was to strike first and strike quickly. The Israeli surface attackers were torpedo boats operating near a war zone, not some massive blue-water fleet executing a grand world-war scheme. They were fighting for their survival, and they knew if the war was a long one, they would lose.
That's not special pleading and it doesn't excuse their incompetence concerning the Liberty, but it gives some explanation for their rushed judgment and it's simply preposterous to believe this tiny, young state, fighting a multi-front war for survival, decided it would be a good idea to knowingly attack a U.S. Navy ship, murder American sailors, and risk dragging the United States and probably the Soviet Union into a war where Israel's security would be the last thing they were worried about.
Further, Israel desperately needed American diplomatic cover to execute their defensive war; starting a direct crisis with the United States in the middle of a multi-front war would have been suicidal.
Your cartoon-villain theory is absurd.
@camhigby Segment from Cam’s debate where Phil blatantly lies, saying there 30 Israeli jets, and then backtracking and agreeing that there were only 2:
Phil Tourney caught bald-faced lying about the attack on the USS Liberty:
Phil: "I know there was at least 30. And that is math. That mathematically exactly right, too."
Cam: "I've watched every interview you've done in the past 10 years...in every interview, you say there were two jets. Everyone I've ever read has said two."
Phil: "Let's go with two"
@NoahsArk1000@grok > One photo of a *non-Nazi* run camp disproves the Holocaust👍
David Irving has been trying to debunk the Holocaust for 50 years and agrees millions of Jews were murdered:https://t.co/JdzAA8llIp
1) David Irving: "A lot of the ugly part of the story is true. The short answer is: the big number that they quote (6 million) is probably the right order of magnitude."
@surrenderedflow@RepThomasMassie@DanCrenshawTX In hindsight it was unprovoked, but at the time Israel thought the Liberty was an Egyptian vessel shelling the shore due to explosions heard nearby. See Cam's summary starting around 5:15 in the video above.
@TheDemSlayer@TheModerateCase Circumstances change, if the regime was going to fall it would have already.
The OP is correct…Israel demanding the US acts against the wishes of the President and the people will only exacerbate its relationship with the US.
@FenrusMG@RepThomasMassie@DanCrenshawTX > The Liberty radioed US ships, NOT Israeli frequencies
> The machine-gunning of lifeboats occurred only AFTER the USS Liberty OPENED FIRE on the approaching Israeli torpedo boats
> Flag👇https://t.co/zOvrL5MZQq
Can you identify where on this ship “USS Liberty” is written? I’d be surprised if you could even see “GTR-5”. Can you immediately spot the American flag?
Now imagine you’re at the height of a war, with all your neighbors invading you and you’re flying at 5,000 plus feet.
@Altered0x@RepThomasMassie@DanCrenshawTX Nope, your argument only holds in the absence of the context of the attack, which Massie deliberately omits.
Israel incorrectly thought the Liberty was an Egyptian ship which had attacked its shore, hence the fog-of-war "provocation".
This is the full debate between USS Liberty survivor Phil Tourney and myself.
I recommend EVERYONE watch it. To my knowledge this is the only time in history the @usslibertyvets have participated in a debate and had their narrative challenged.
@caedmon24287@ZoomerHistorian >their virtues are of the lowest order
For such "unvirtuous" people, funny how so many non-Jews *trust* Jewish doctors to save their lives, and Jewish accountants/fund managers to handle their finances😉
@JSmithingler@nimble_joe@EvanMahoney_@DanBilzerian@jacksonhinkle Lenin was 1/4 Jewish and wasn't even aware of this fact while alive...funny how you folk always overlook 75% of his DNA😉
WRT 200 Years Together here's what Solzhenitsyn actually wrote:https://t.co/rl8PDcaoj7
Phil Tourney caught bald-faced lying about the attack on the USS Liberty:
Phil: "I know there was at least 30. And that is math. That mathematically exactly right, too."
Cam: "I've watched every interview you've done in the past 10 years...in every interview, you say there were two jets. Everyone I've ever read has said two."
Phil: "Let's go with two"
@ArkhamReporter@Veigonne@kryptohunter098 >Honour is not something you would understand
Fun fact: Hitler's mother's doctor was a Jew, who reduced and often waived her medical bills when she had cancer.https://t.co/GycmfSgR93
👨🏻 🩺 Adolf Hitler's jewish Doctor
Dr. Eduard Bloch was an jewish physician who was the Hitler family's personal doctor.
He treated Hitler's mother for breast cancer, reducing or even sometimes eliminating her medical bills.
Adolf Hitler declared him an Honorary Aryan.
@3virgola14@ppow84@Brownpill8@DeanSmi47962704 Goebbels doesn’t specifically mention “gas chambers” but does state the “procedure is barbaric” — make of that what you want:
March 27, 1942: “The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews.”
You're woefully uninformed if you think historians don't cite Goebbels diary.
Of course western Jews were moved east, to places like Auschwitz.
March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one
and not to be described here more definitely. Not much
will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that
about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated
whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
@O9APeterScully@DrewPavlou@Partisangirl Difference is: most European descent Jews contribute massively to the country as professionals and business owners, whereas a large proportion of the Muslims are on welfare, involved in crime, or defrauding the NDIS.
Apples vs Watermelons comparison.
@wegrospiritual@WeimarWorlds Nice try, but the director/writer is French-Senegalese from a Muslim family.
The Israeli dual-citizenship claims come only from deleted old Wikipedia EDITS and fringe 2020 posts with ZERO backing in reliable sources or bios.https://t.co/NkZOH8mRUt
Director Maïmouna Doucouré is French-Senegalese from a Muslim family. She wrote and directed *Cuties* drawing from her own experiences.
Producer Zangro (Sylvain de Zangroniz) grew up in a Franco-Spanish household, partly raised in Morocco (per Variety 2019).
The Israeli dual-citizenship claims come only from deleted old Wikipedia edits and fringe 2020 posts with zero backing in reliable sources or bios.