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@gairkqnuni @Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy How do you feel about artists who have a folder full of images to use as reference, that they downloaded from the internet?

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@gairkqnuni @Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy Which part of it was theft? Downloading the public images, or analyzing them with the training algorithm?

I'm not trying to catch you in a gotcha, I'm genuinely curious about what specific part of the process people mean when they call AI "theft"

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It’s amazing how anti-AI music is divided across East/West lines. This is sick

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@gairkqnuni @Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy Let's say it's a completely terrible model that produces worthless images. I still downloaded a bunch of images from the internet and analyzed them with a training algorithm. Did I commit theft?

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@gairkqnuni @Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy It seems like you agree that, if an individual spent enough time and money to train their own model from scratch (however unlikely that is), there would be no theft involved. Somehow adding a corporation to the mix conjures theft out of nowhere

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@gairkqnuni @Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy In my hypothetical example there is no corporation, I'm training the model myself. Is there any theft in the process?

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@Rahll @Pigeonsdestroy @gairkqnuni Massive stretch to call it literally stealing. If, hypothetically, I trained my own image model from scratch, which part would be theft? Downloading publicly shared images from the internet? (artists do this for mood boards). Using an algorithm to analyze the pixels?

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@davesmith2468 @Rahll @LamarLowder I guess by lack of fundamental difference I mean that both are still art, because they both involve human creativity

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The tomatoes still need water.

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@davesmith2468 @Rahll @LamarLowder It's a big difference but not a fundamental difference imo. There's still plenty of room for human creativity in an AI-art workflow. Spiral Town alone convinces me, I think it's more creative than most non-AI art https://t.co/KDJixfdO5D

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@evanbpeters @falcothebard @JustineBateman Agreed, using either AI or traditional CGI is much less impressive than practical effects. If you're going to use CGI, might as well use AI, both are not real

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@davesmith2468 @Rahll @LamarLowder I don't agree with you calling it "inspiration" when a human steals an idea yet "stolen" when AI learns from existing public works. Plus using AI to create things can require plenty of practice, patience, taste, ingenuity etc.

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder Clearly there was a review process in place, but she chose to ignore it and publish anyway. If you want to take Google's money and not get fired, then act as a good faith employee and let them check if you ignored relevant research or not before you "sound the alarm"/"cry wolf"

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder I mean the paper clearly says "for creative uses". I think the paper has a great point and we should explore that

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder The names of the reviewers who didn't like her hit piece was also "private data" but she had no problem demanding that

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder And it's not that it's viable for creative uses in art, photography, and music, it's just that creative uses are its function

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder I mean who does she think she is? She's near Gary Marcus levels of narcissism. The way she behaved makes me suspect that she intentionally wrote something she knew Google would dislike, so she could cause a big controversy about it

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder If the "might" is so important, surely you agree that the "may" here is just as important? So they aren't definitively useful for data compression, which is something you'd assume that compression would be useful for

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@necrokuma3 @Rahll @LamarLowder This is getting pedantic, but you don't admit to infringing, you admit to copying that wasn't infringement