JediMaster_Valhalla

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[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@PrudentThinquer @BasedMikeLee Your car got hijacked, left in someone's property for 1000's years, over that time the windows were removed, the clutch taken out.
Jesus seeing this had a beautiful classic sitting in storage, wrapped and protected. He brings it out to show the world and they turn noses up.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@PrudentThinquer @BasedMikeLee Those are in the D&C.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@PrudentThinquer @BasedMikeLee You missed out on the best parts.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@nobleheartopenI We follow the Bible. We study it, learn from it, apply it into our life.

What we don't do is agree with the interpretation of the Bible that comes from the creeds and councils of men who did not hold apostolic authority.

Christ is king. In him I trust.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@MattisRedacted This guy has a time machine.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

He's on a roll!

[LEGO Joseph Smith @Mormonger]

Your argument only works if you quietly smuggle the Nicene Creed into the definition of Christianity and then pretend you've proven something from the Bible.

You say Latter-day Saints aren't Christian because they reject later creedal theology. Fine. Then stop pretending your standard is "the Bible." Your actual standard is fourth-century Greek metaphysics.

Show me where the Bible teaches that God is "one being in three co-equal, co-eternal persons sharing one indivisible essence." Not a creed. Not a church council. A verse.

You can't.

You cite Deuteronomy 6:4 and Matthew 28:19, but neither passage teaches the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity is an inference constructed centuries later. Latter-day Saints reject that inference. That's not the same thing as rejecting Christ.

You also claim Mormons believe in a "different Jesus." That's rhetoric, not an argument.

Do Latter-day Saints believe Jesus is the divine Son of God? Yes.

Do they believe He created the world? Yes.

Do they believe He was born of Mary, performed miracles, atoned for sin, died on the cross, rose bodily from the dead, and will return in glory? Yes.

Those are not minor details. Those are the central claims of Christianity.

What you really mean is that Latter-day Saints reject later theological developments concerning the nature of God. That's a much narrower claim than "they worship a different Jesus."

The "spirit brother of Lucifer" line is especially weak. It's usually deployed because critics know it sounds shocking, not because it proves anything. In LDS theology, Christ is the divine Son of God, Creator, Redeemer, and Lord. Repeating "spirit brother of Lucifer" doesn't refute any of that. It's just polemics.

Your claim about salvation is equally misleading. Latter-day Saints do not believe they can earn salvation apart from Christ. They believe Christ's grace is necessary and indispensable. The disagreement concerns the relationship between faith, covenant, discipleship, and transformation—not whether Christ saves.

As for Galatians 1 and 2 Corinthians 11, quoting "another gospel" doesn't magically settle the debate. Every Christian tradition has used those verses against rival traditions. The question is whether Joseph Smith restored authentic Christianity. Quoting Paul's warning simply assumes your conclusion.

And the census argument is frankly irrelevant. Governments classify groups for demographic purposes, not theological ones. If tomorrow a census listed Baptists separately from evangelicals, that wouldn't determine who is or isn't Christian.

At bottom, your position is not "Mormons aren't Christian because of the Bible." Your position is "Mormons aren't Christian because they reject post-biblical creeds that I consider authoritative."

You're entitled to that definition. What you're not entitled to do is pretend that the definition came directly from Scripture when the very doctrines you're using as tests of Christianity were formulated centuries after the New Testament was written.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

Love this response

[LEGO Joseph Smith @Mormonger]

Am I supposed to act like this isn't obvious evangelical propaganda disguised as a chart? 😂

Nearly every LDS belief is framed in the least charitable way possible, while every Protestant belief is presented in its most favorable form.

Let's go through it...

"Mormonism vs Christianity"

The title commits the fallacy of begging the question before the discussion even begins.

Latter-day Saints worship Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God, believe He died for sins, rose from the dead, and is humanity's Savior. Calling LDS believers "non-Christian" simply because they reject later creeds is not an argument—it's gatekeeping.

The real question is whether the Nicene tradition or the Restoration more accurately reflects apostolic Christianity.

- "Bible Alone"

The chart pretends "Bible alone" is historic Christianity.

It isn't.

For over a thousand years there was no Protestantism and no doctrine of sola scriptura. Catholics, Orthodox, and other ancient Christians all reject Bible-alone theology.

So the chart is ironically presenting a distinctly Protestant doctrine as if it were the universal Christian position.

- "God is one God"

The chart sneaks in an entire philosophical system and labels it "biblical."

The doctrine of an immaterial, timeless, metaphysically simple being owes at least as much to Greek philosophy as to the Bible.

The God of scripture talks, acts, responds, loves, grieves, becomes angry, forgives, and enters relationships.

The LDS God looks much more like the God portrayed in scripture than the abstract philosophical Absolute developed centuries later.

- "Jesus is a created being"

This is simply false.

Latter-day Saints believe Christ existed before the world and participated in creation itself.

Evangelical critics often repeat "created being" because it sounds shocking, not because it accurately represents LDS theology.

If a critic has to distort your beliefs to refute them, that is usually a sign of a weak argument.

- "Grace + works"

This is perhaps the most misleading line in the entire chart.

LDS doctrine explicitly teaches that salvation comes through the grace of Jesus Christ.

The actual disagreement is whether discipleship, covenant faithfulness, repentance, baptism, and obedience matter after one accepts Christ.

Ironically, the New Testament repeatedly teaches that they do.

The chart acts as if every passage about obedience suddenly disappears once Ephesians 2 is quoted.

- "Humans become gods"

Critics often present this as if Joseph Smith invented the idea.

Yet early Christian theologians taught deification long before Joseph Smith was born.

The famous teaching that "God became man so that man might become god" was not written by a Mormon—it was written by Athanasius, one of the heroes of orthodox Christianity.

The real debate is not whether humans can participate in divine life. The debate is how fully that participation extends.

- "Atonement not sufficient"

No faithful Latter-day Saint believes Christ's atonement is insufficient.

None.

Every ordinance, covenant, act of repentance, and act of obedience derives its saving power from Christ.

This criticism confuses "Christ's grace requires a response" with "Christ's grace is insufficient."

Those are not remotely the same claim.

The biggest problem...

The chart never actually argues for Nicene Christianity.

It simply assumes Nicene Christianity is true and then declares every disagreement wrong by definition.

That is not evidence.

That is circular reasoning.

The chart's hidden argument is:

Historic Christianity is true because historic Christianity says it is true.

But the entire Restoration claim is that major theological changes occurred after the apostles. Merely appealing to later tradition does nothing to answer that claim.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@flintlockactual @justin_hart His atonement is infinite. it covers all before Christ as well. Even Adam and Eve were forgiven and they covenanted with God to keep his commandments. They made sacrifices in similitude of Christ who would come in the future to atone for them. They exercised faith in God.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@justin_hart @Lovemyproxy Wow, you certainly found a few things when you kicked over this rock. Look at all the anti's.
Caricatures, twisted versions of or beliefs they sware we have.

Lol, it cracks me up.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@waytruthlife416 @justin_hart Were those his exact words?

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@VUnpopuli @justin_hart Aren't you a little old to be watching cartoons? Old, horrible cartoons like the God makers built by haters who used caricatures that are twisted,distortions of or beliefs.

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@flintlockactual @justin_hart Original sin,aka Adam's transgression, was covered by the atonement of Jesus Christ.
Because of him we are all on equal ground and accountable for our own sins.
1 Corinthians 15: 22

[Justin Hart @justin_hart]

Is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a Christian church? Yes, indisputably

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@Sharon_Educator Thanks but no thanks

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@darthpatricia @HoldenCCole I always thought that liars are children of Satan. So these people that post false things about our faith are Satan's children. Is a child a closer relationship than a brother?

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@HoldenCCole You obviously have not watched any of General conference.
https://t.co/ON5D0DU1SF

[JediMaster_Valhalla @Goodlookingjedi]

@chrisbrunet It's more like this, actually.

[Peacemaking Saint @PeacemakingSt]

@BenZeisloft This is from 2007. ALL we do is proclaim our distinctiveness while reaffirming we believe in the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Tryin 💪🙏 @TryinDaily]

The Trinity is man made cope to resolve a perceived conflict in how Christ is God and the Father is God .. and they are "one" God. The Trinitarian fake news "solution" is "one essence"... Which is trash theology that is anti-biblical.

They are One God ... 3 Beings. Not 1 Being.

The Trinity is Not central to the Gospel. It's a bolt on 300 years after Christ.

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