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[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@iosif_lazaridis It's strange how the study tried to ignore it and brush it under the carpet.
So,indo anatolian was spoken only in tur_c_eba and not in isparta or amsaya?

Seeing the Loopholes,I suspect this paper will remain stuck in peer review like the dzudzuana preprint for the later years.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@iosif_lazaridis Yet,theres no r1b in central Anatolia,right?
This sounds like special pleading to shill anthony's redundant hypothesis.

1 low class sample with child sacrifice in sumeria/uruk is the evidence?

Also,your own study shows no steppe in amsaya_EMBA, Isparta_EBA either.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@iosif_lazaridis Yet,theres no r1b in central Anatolia,right?
This sounds like special pleading of anthony's redundant hypothesis.

1 low class outlier sample with child sacrifice in sumeria/uruk is the evidence?

Also,your own study shows no steppe in Amsaya_EMBA and Isparta_EBA either.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @Nilakantha98751 The tarim xiaohe study modelled okunevo as 25% Baikal EBA+ 57% tarim_emba1+17% afanasievo.
I think okunevo has something else over tenisei

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @assuwatama7 @Rudravodhr @Rtam86418021 This fits if MLBA is considered proto-tocharian.
The only people who had this intesive contacts with uralic people were MLBA.
Afanasievo was limited to dzungaria where uralics(yakutia_lnba) didn't go.
Also,uralic split into proto Samoyed around 1800-1600 Bc.
FU around 1400 BC.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @assuwatama7 @Rudravodhr @Rtam86418021 Btw,tocharian has a proto-finno ugric substrate and all forms of uralic(finno ugric,samoyedic) have tocharian loanwords for metallurgy.
Afanasievo wasn't known for their metallurgy,abashevo/mlba was.

The only region this contact between all branches could have happened is urals.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@aryaismm @thehindumapper @Aagneyamm @Devasakha @finalpill @yajnadevam @br_llm_lock IVC became more aasi shifted after its collapse in 1600-1500 BC, probably when a lot of people from southern IVC colonies migrated and a lot of AASI HGs assimilated.

Before it would be something like SISBA2(28% AASI-30%).

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@AgarthanEpstein @finalpill @Rtam86418021 If people were really interested in this,then modern day people form volga-kama area who speak uralic also carry 30% steppe mlba Ancestry.
Looking at their substrate language may give some clues on the langauge of steppe mlba.

But it's presumed that steppe mlba=indo iranian so..

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@Hadeirankd @Rozekurdno @Sherefname @nezih_seven @asteraex There's also some WSHG ancestry through BMAC/ivc (as seen in hasanlu IA and dinkha tepe samples).
This can get confused for sintashta/tkm_ia if not modelled properly.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@Hadeirankd @Rozekurdno @Sherefname @nezih_seven @asteraex I have run F4 statistics, there's barely any steppe mlba in Kurds/plateau Iranians.
Maybe some could have arrived with sakas,but none from tkm_ia it seems

Some G25 models inflate yaz because of BMAC in Iranians(seen in hasanlu samples without yaz) but proper modelling rejects.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@Rozekurdno @Hadeirankd @Sherefname @nezih_seven @asteraex Kurds and most Iranians get their Steppe ancestry from Catacomb/Yamnaya/steppe emba people (As seen in hajji firuz BA).
There's barely any steppe MLBA/fatayanovo ancestry,less than 2%.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @assuwatama7 @Rudravodhr @Rtam86418021 Ok,you mean seh Gabi LN.
But that sample is very strange and dosent work as a good source for southern ancestry in steppe.
And it's located too much to the south.
That's why I don't prefer it,maybe a similar sample but a bit to north could work.

How much Levant/anatolian it has?

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @Nilakantha98751 I just mean that kind of Ancestry, eneolithic type.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @assuwatama7 @Rudravodhr @Rtam86418021 Seh Gabi LN has some anatolian,but seh Gabi C is different,it's just levant_n+iranN (noise level anatolian if any).

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @Nilakantha98751 I think sarazm/jeitun ancestry.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @Nilakantha98751 Something wrong with the setup then.
Lazaridis distal clearly showed some ancestry also some other modelling by people on forums did show too.

[Hansen @HanssenHeli]

@finalpill @Nilakantha98751 G25 isn't good for Neolithic modelling.

F4admix/Qpadm shows it if properly used.
Lazaridis distal sheet shows it too.