Total limited hangout. Assign the already seething public anger towards Fauci as release valve, conveniently leave out Baric and work/IP in US that played a role. You think IC agents worth their salt would truly be persuaded by Fauci and not recognize his CoI. Not a chance. They know exactly where/when/why the virus emerged. Count on that.
@dkupiecki@EMM_386 Give it a break. Try to argue that obfuscating DEFUSE and (from congressional hearing) labeling earliest sequences as “confidential” (and going apeshit at Bloom for good faith inquiry into the same) was just well-intentioned Science ™️
@danaparish Elaborate a bit, Dana. You’re saying the DEFUSE narrative is a smokescreen? Struggling with that because it too implicates the US Gov in creation of SARS-CoV-2
@breakfast_dogs Also, the elephant in the room…no doubt both he and Baric facing this backlash coming just as Trump went to China. Behind closed doors, a reckoning agreed upon? China said: “We threw ours off a roof! Your turn.”
@breakfast_dogs@RandPaul@MattKibbe Because it was almost certainly constructed, or at very least intellectually conceived of, at UNC under the auspices of Ralph Baric?
@TheSeeker268@Muller_Lab Wouldn’t work because team zoonosis is not good faith. Would be surprised if a single one truly “believes” the hypothesis, they’re toeing the party line which is why they avoid debate / engaging in good faith discussion all together
@TheSeeker268@Florin_Uncovers While this may be partly true, do you not think CIA had HUMINT and SIGINT from day one? Of course they did, and knew, in detail what happened from probably Sept 2019.
Right. Fauci knows damn well what will show in the record. How about completely off the books visits to the CIA, as exposed by a credible CIA whistleblower, or the unprecedented pressure campaign on Jesse Bloom who was inconveniently digging into the virus’ early phylogeny that wouldn’t have jived so well with the already implausible “market hypothesis”
Bullshit, and you know it. The gatekeeping and pressure to toe the line came directly from the very top of the NIAID, NIH, and (no doubt) DoD. When the leaders who write funding checks for research at almost every level say “don’t look in this direction”, you damn well better not look in that direction. Surely you know this and are engaging for purely propagandistic purposes, but it’s a losing game
@dkupiecki@hkakeya You realize by now that there is a cohort of people purely interested in the truth, right? When that truth is obvious and there’s a massive, coordinated effort to control the narrative and obfuscate that truth we have a big problem. That’s where we are now
Ridiculous. I’m a white collar democrat and this very issue has done more to erode my trust in science than anything else because the lies and coverup is so blatant. For me and millions of others, the only way to undue that harm is to allow for honest, humble admission of fuck ups. It grows trust in science and authorities, which is a desperate global need and an unequivocal good!
@TheSeeker268@Rozemar79838305 They never explained away this one! Never understood why no one simply brought to Baric and made him explain exactly what he meant (because he meant exactly what we think he did)