@Midjorityrules@AlderNate Did he have golden plates?
There is a way to know, that’s what the three witnesses are for, and the inner witness of the Holy Ghost
@Midjorityrules@AlderNate In your view, or at least most that discredit smith, they say he fabricated the plates and the characters on them, meaning he’s intentionally deceiving people. The idea that he did that, but let could conceive the kinderhook plates were also fabricated, is dumb
@Midjorityrules@AlderNate We have eye witness accounts of how he translated it, it was just by comparison of the characters, not revelation. By the way if he fabricated the golden plates like most claim, the idea these would fool him is laughable
@dttpeople I love you thinking that Joseph Smith is so smart that he can fabricate plates and a story but can’t identify fake plates. Eye witnesses said he didn’t translate them by revelation
@pimomormon@MichaelFarley77 Again you’re assuming a position we don’t hold, then critiquing that position. You’re like a Protestant assuming protantsism then imposing that belief on us. It’s like a Muslim asking a Christian to prove Jesus is god from the Quran
@pimomormon@MichaelFarley77 Cool. Don’t care. The source is there, and I sent it as well. You can just scroll down in the article to see the source as well
@pimomormon@MichaelFarley77 Saying you can hear gods will for you is not the same as everything said is infallible. You’re not doing an internal critique right now
@pimomormon@MichaelFarley77 You can see everything I sent quoting Brigham young. This was never official church doctrine. It was speculation. Remember, we don’t view apostles and prophets as infallible, or that everything they say constitutes official church doctrine
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