Jeanie Jones

Adult Human Feline

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

Of course we must have sympathy with individuals with DSDs. It must be heartbreaking to discover you have a DSD when you've lived and trained as the opposite sex all your life. The blame is with @iocmedia policy and their ideological capture, putting gender identity before sex.

[Sasha Ayad, LPC @SashaLPC]

#OlympicBoxing 🧵 cultural context and the role of the IOC (and whether Khalif “knows he’s a man”)

First off, I am hesitant to analyze someone else’s life in this forum, but on the public world stage of the Olympics, Iman Khalif’s status has become a point of debate so I’ll say tentatively a few things…

I’ve been watching Arabic interviews (and translating with help from my tutor) for the last few days to try and understand the context around Iman Khalif.

Khalif has clearly been raised as a girl. Photos of her childhood show her in typical female attire. In interviews, in fact, great sympathy is extended to her because she came from a poor family with separated parents and as a child, she took on a lot of responsibility to help her mother. This is seen as a hardship not appropriate to place on girls so it’s a point of sympathy in those conversations.

And Hijab is NOT required for women in Algeria, so images of Khalif in adulthood with short hair and no Hijab are not at all proof that she lives “as a man.” Then again I’m sure strangers looking at Khalif have perceived her as a man because she is clearly masculinized. But to people who know her and in all interviews I’ve seen, she’s a woman.

Gender nonconformity (though looked down upon in the ME) does happen. But known cross-sex dressing in the Arab world does not imply trans or cross-sex identity. It’s just not a concept there as it is in the west. And Iman wearing men’s clothes does not mean she saw herself as a man or that anyone else intimately in her life saw her that way either.

In a conservative, Islamic Middle Eastern countries, genital anatomy is the foundation for understanding biological sex. If she does have ARD5 (which has been suggested as a hypothesis by knowledgeable scientists and other individuals), then she was likely born with pretty typical-looking female genitalia.

Even after discovering the anomalies of the DSD around puberty (becoming extremely masculinized) intersex conditions are highly taboo and not well understood. There is no concept of an “intersex person” - Iman likely perceives herself as a woman with a strange condition

It’s culturally impossible for her family to say at her puberty, “oops we guess Iman is really a guy”. People in the West cannot fully grasp the cultural context and social consequences of such a declaration.

Interestingly, my teacher (a highly educated woman in Cairo in her 30s) suspected that upon discovering their daughter would be much more masculine than other girls, perhaps her parents thought it would be best to put her in a sport which might house other masculine girls and women: boxing. Just a guess of course, as we have no idea why Khalif chose the sport, but remember that in the Middle East helping your child to blend in naturally with their own birth-sex is among the most important things you can do for them.

So my point here is yes, biologically Khalif is actually male, but even after learning about the DSD, is still conceptualizing herself as female.

This context does NOT alter the answer in the question of ethics:

Is it wrong for the IOC to have standards which allow DSD males (regardless of their social or legal identity) to compete against biological women?

@hoovlet @SwipeWright @FondOfBeetles @widerlenspod

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@TakedownMRAs @DrKarleenG @amnesty You don't know me asshole.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@TakedownMRAs @DrKarleenG @amnesty This charity are worth our support https://t.co/cJW0OddOCx

[Wolf of X @WolfofX]

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[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

And I'm blocked. Why? Can't we have reasonable debate on this?

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

Aware of this, but mental health issues in women involved in prostitution are also high. It is dehumanising.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@HazelAppleyard_ Is that what they're calling penises now?

[Emily WD🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 @Wommando]

Pensioner Cyril Moan, 78, who downloaded, categorised & catalogued 1000s of pics & vids of children being sexually abused, has walked free.

Judge Miller said “sadly" the court has to deal with similar cases "if not on a daily basis then certainly weekly"

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[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@HazelAppleyard_ Of course it doesn't self clean, it's not a vagina! The lies these men are told!

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@sappholives83 Would they finally feel validated do you think?

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@FamEdTrust It's not actually that difficult for parents. They can just say, ''No, you can't have a phone until you are older.' But then again, it makes for a peaceful life letting your kids do whatever they want.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

No surprises here. Disgraceful.

[Mara Yamauchi @mara_yamauchi]

Women’s football team with a load of males in it wins a women’s football league. Hang your heads in shame, everyone who had any part in this appalling misogyny. Thank you @LucyZelic for speaking up.

#SaveWomensSports

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@yuanyi_z @RobbieTravers The privilege is dripping. Imagine having to stand in a queue - with plebs presumably.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@RosieKayK2CO No, it's not.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@alexrubner Did she set up the dog's account? Seems nothing she does is genuine - it's all for the likes. She'll find she won't get any for this though!

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

Well, why don't they @amnesty?

[Brolly @ylukem]

Why don't the women of Afghanistan just become men? That way, the Taliban wouldn't be able to tell who's male and who's female, right? 🤔

[Sara Wahedi @SaraWahedi]

Spoke to a friend in Kabul today.

She waited for a taxi, desperate to get to work. With only her mother at home and no male companion, she said: "I waited 30 minutes for a taxi to stop. They charged me four times the rate and said if I get arrested, they won't help me."

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@d_knight73 @GayeDalton Exactly this, I said similar in a respectful manner, but was blocked by this person. It's a subject people don't like to debate. It's also women that mainly resort to selling their bodies, and that says something about how society views us.

[derrick knight @d_knight73]

@GayeDalton I think we should be asking what kind of society we live in when the poorest have to sell their bodies to survive.

[Jeanie Jones @JeanieJonesAHF]

@GayeDalton @ToniaAntoniazzi @soniasodha @jessphillips Says something about our society and how little we value women that we think it's OK when they're in poverty that they prostitute themselves in order to live and feed their children. Men don't seem to need to sell their bodies in the same numbers.

[Tonia Antoniazzi @ToniaAntoniazzi]

‘Too few police forces use the fact that it is a crime for someone to solicit sex in public to crack down on men buying sex, while arranging to buy sex online is entirely legal’

I agree 💯 with @soniasodha and in response to my adjournment debate @jessphillips made this clear. There is much work to do but I have confidence that we will protect those women lured into prostitution while we must punish the men who pay.