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[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner Multiple agencies are still on scene conducting a fairly aggresive search. Sounds like it is for the gate runner

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@AlertsSocal @OC_Scanner They are patched with OC Access VHF now

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner @AlertsSocal OCSD and Border Patrol are searching for a suspect(s) south of San Clemente off the Basilone exit in San Onofre Canyon. OCSD Duke helicopter is overhead and a CBP helicopter is on the way. I have not heard what started the incident.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner Good thing the @OCFireAuthority board canceled the Coulson QRF Helitanker/HELCO contract. The lack of preparedness keeps things more interesting.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner That engine on scene has been pumping a ground monitor full bore 24 hours a day for days now with only diesel refills. That pump is going to be toast at the end of this thing.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@CCentaur6941854 @j_g_allen It's a moderate respiratory irritant, which goes back to my original post. There is nothing about it that is "highly toxic".

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@TheFengHunter @ItsAllFake26 @ForArt @j_g_allen Well you can say I told you so if anything actually happens to anyone. Otherwise, I am quite confident that I will be the correct one here.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner They are frac tanks. I would imagine they are either going to try to recover water from the secondary containment or are going to fill them with water and position them to contain a blast in the event of an explosion. I wouldn't think they would be good container option for mma

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@TheFengHunter @ForArt @ItsAllFake26 @j_g_allen If you were cutting it or burning it sure, but its not going to hurt you otherwise. The vaporized mma would be so short lived in the environment I really don't think there is a toxicity concern.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@ForArt @ItsAllFake26 @j_g_allen The chemical is methyl methacrylate. The problem right now is that it is polymerizing (which is exothermic i.e. releasing heat) and undergoing autoacceleration. The polymer that is formed is acrylic plastic, essentially plexiglass.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@ItsAllFake26 @j_g_allen Right, meaning much of the contents are now fairly inert.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@ItsAllFake26 @j_g_allen It doesn't. The explosion risk is from methyl methacrylate vapor.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@JM6448389760651 @JerryChilds @j_g_allen Releasing vapor would be the ideal outcome. The goal right now is literally to find a way to vent the vapor. An explosion would be bad due to the risks of fire and debris, but toxicity is really not a problem. The chemical is short lived in the environment and not very toxic.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@JM6448389760651 @j_g_allen Mostly polymerized doesn't mean completely polymerized. It will continue to polymerize until it reaches equilibrium.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@j_g_allen "Highly toxic" based on what? It is a very short lived chemical in the body. There is probably a hospital within walking distance of you putting methy methacrylate bone cement inside a patient as we speak. It's not "highly toxic". Stop fear mongering for attention.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@CandyBeeGardens @MMXXII2000 Well it isn't from the methyl methacrylate. That I can tell you with certainty. The entire problem right now is that the relief valve is blocked so the chemical cannot escape the tank. If it were venting, there would be no problem

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@OC_Scanner People are dumb, but this does seem like an inevitable consequence of putting the new OCFA Chief - who clearly isn't an effective communicator - up at these conferences to essentially say he has no clue what is going on or what the actual hazard even is.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@K38rescue You can see it is placarded in some of the aerial news coverage, but otherwise, yes I agree on a potential lack of preparedness. The USCSB will likely investigate and maybe even grace us with one of their excellent Youtube videos with the findings.

[Joe @JoeHum9]

@tishagiraud @K38rescue @OC_Scanner Hard to say without knowing more but I'm not sure the problem was inspection but rather the engineering of the vessel and the process and a lack of emergency preparedness. Unfortunately they probably missed an important window last night to vent and add an inhibitor such as MEHQ