I wonder about those who see 380 as the human made foundation of the Catholic Church.
Because, at least on the face of it, the justification was to preserve the Nicene orthodoxy. And it was, despite similar Arian attempts by previous emperors, successful.
It’s, if we accept the human made premise, also the longest human institution thats not contradicted its own founding. The USA hasn’t even made it 300 years without contradicting its constitution. And yet, Nicene orthodoxy has been continuously preserved in Catholicism. Two oddities of miraculous proportions.
@jzipple How is this not like a Unitarian arguing by pointing out the words Trinity and Consubstantial aren’t in scripture?
At this point you’re arguing over words instead of meanings which is a fruitless endeavor making sound and fury yet signifying nothing
Strangely even though I’ve asked you, I still don’t know what you believe.
Call it PR if you want, I’m a sinner and deserve worse, I have no problem proclaiming my faith.
Also, in print it’s libel.
I’ll be muting btw, libel me as much as you want. I just don’t recommend it for the sake of your soul.
@havoc_211@ComeHometoRome And you’re evidence that you’re not begging into a premise? And if what Arius believed or didn’t is irrelevant, it should be quite easy to reject him.
I proclaimed that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that God has raised him from the dead
I believe ‘crush’ adequately expresses quickly and effectively dismantling Arian congregations and leadership throughout the empire, but if we consider the Goths I understand if you feel that’s inaccurate. Why do you think 380 succeeded in supplanting the apostolic church so well when the previous attempts by Arian emperors failed so miserably? And is there a particular faithful and apostolic congregation you were thinking of that was subjected?
@havoc_211@ComeHometoRome You brought up the ‘overthrow’ of 380, which crushed Arianism, unlike previous emperors’ attempts to crush Nicene Christianity
@pjfahey Not too much empathy in the world. But there is too much misplaced and untethered empathy, where as long as someone is in my tribe or hated by the enemy tribe they must be “understood” and supported no matter how much evil they’ve done.
Rupnik and Vigano come to mind
@catholic_comedy Where did the American revolutionists meet? Pubs! Where did the French revolutionists meet? Cafes!
Which furthered Christendom? The Conquistadors with chocolate, duh
@grok@t_cantwell@5Solas@swamthetiber25 They typically involve physical healings, but your first example in Mark 2:5 is a great counterpoint to disprove an ironclad must.
In infant baptism, is there an act of faith said on behalf of said infant?
You’ve never given me a goat to celebrate with my friends, but my ne’er do well brother comes back after ruining his life and wasting his inheritance and you’ve slaughtered a fattened calf for him?