@shoujoseyuri Like i said, i’m done with this conversation now but for what it’s worth, i meant that these ideals are pushed upon us by heteronormative standards are re-enforced by homogeneous western societies who benefit from those ideals
@shoujoseyuri Because ireland has famously committed acts of colonialism. The people doing that are Not my people. I’m disengaging from this conversation.
@shoujoseyuri If yves doesn’t want to follow the homogeneous path of “coming out” or if she later decides she does want to, both are fine but her image right now and how she’s presenting her queerness is not negated by the fact that she hasn’t “come out”
@shoujoseyuri I’m not talking to you like you’re stupid and i don’t think you are. We’re having a conversation. You have a very set view of what being queer is and what being gay is and what coming out looks like and means. I’m saying that’s not a natural truth about the world
@shoujoseyuri That understanding of gayness is inherently and foundationally western-focused is what i’m saying. And i don’t blame anyone for adopting it because it’s been so pushed upon us. But there is nothing fundamentally natural or instinctual about “the closet” or “coming out”
@shoujoseyuri Respectfully, your lived experience does not mean you can’t have biases or oversights. There is plenty of papers written about this topic if you do want to research it more, but baseline; we should be hesitant to assigning a linear process to the gay experience as being the norm
@shoujoseyuri There are so many nuances between what coming out is and how it looks from germany to korea to mexico to russia to egypt. Korea does have a different experience of it because of the history of their country and colonialism. Yves has not “come out” in the expected western way
@shoujoseyuri You are still working from a view point that there is a process to being gay. Self discovery -> telling those around you/coming out -> being out. That is not a universal or natural truth of being gay and it’s something we should question
@shoujoseyuri Pressuring yves or any idol to label themselves explicitly as lgbtq is wrong but that isnt what is happening for the most part. Yves as an idol and her art are objectively queer and she has also strongly hinted at being lgbtq. That’s why she’s relevant in these conversations
@shoujoseyuri I’m not saying coming out isn’t a thing outside the west, but the way people talk about it online and how it’s often presented in the media is centred on western experiences of queerness. And how a lot of people view yves’s queerness is also from a western bias
We talk a lot about how therapy speak has been coopted by manipulators, but not enough about how social justice language gets used by people "advocating" for shit that isn't an actual injustice.
You’d think you’d hear from people who have been to no-phones concerts explaining that it’s fine and makes the show better. Unfortunately, every single one of them died of medical complications mid-show or was kidnapped