Kenneth Hammonds

Evil is the shadow cast by the light of self-awareness.
Atheism is illogical.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Absolutely not. It is 100% moving the goal post. The argument against atheism only has to be logical for a God or gods to make atheism illogical.
Theists can argue against other theists on which one is the true or correct version. But for a theist to argue a specific God to an atheist who believes in no God(s) is actually absurd.

In this case it appears you are upset that atheism is the weaker position - and it is.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

This is moving the goal post by an atheist. The argument is theism vs atheism, not atheism vs [fill in the specific religion].
On atheism, as a theist, I don't have to prove a specific God.

Try harder atheists.

[SG @antitheistdad]

Why does any religion get to use philosophical arguments to justify their God?
These only posit a generic, deistic god. They don't prove a personal god or a specific religion. If a Christian, Muslim, & Deist can use the same argument for different gods, it proves none of them.🧐

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

@MartinLogicing I think they are trying to get everyone to admit that it's "natural" because it's observed in nature. It's not just a social choice.
But that is patently false.
It's disordered.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

These types of posts are extremely misleading. Honestly I don't think most people understand how though.

These species where homosexuality exists, if the animal is given the opportunity to mate with a member of the opposite sex, they will!

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

@dStoolofWisdom https://t.co/BbbGSdKI56

[Modal Mack @PrayPuffPlay]

I’ve decided to officially name this the 4P S5 Modal Ontological Argument at the urging of a good friend who is one of my closest theological confidants.

Theorem: □God exists (the MGB necessarily exists)

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I. Definitions

1. SF(x): x has Significant Freedom =df x is a moral agent who, in any moral situation D, has the real ability to choose either right (G(x,D)) or wrong (¬G(x,D)).
2. G(x,D): x chooses the morally good action in situation D.
3. MGB: Maximally Great Being =df a necessarily existing, omniscient, omnipotent, and morally perfect personal being.
4. W: A possible world.
5. Aggregate(W): The set of all agents with essences placed into world W.
6. Essence(x): The set of necessary properties and counterfactuals of freedom true of x.

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II. Axioms / Premises

P1. ∃x SF(x) — Significant Freedom exists in at least one actual agent.
P2. ∀x (SF(x) → ∀D (◇G(x,D) ∧ ◇¬G(x,D))) — To have SF, one must be able to do otherwise in any moral situation.
P3. ∀W (Aggregate(W) → ∀x∈W (G(x,D))) → ∀x∈W ¬◇¬G(x,D) — A world where all agents always choose good necessarily lacks the ability to choose otherwise.
P4. ∀x (SF(x) → ¬(∀D ¬◇¬G(x,D))) — A world where agents cannot choose wrongly is one where SF does not exist.
P5. ¬◇(W ∧ ∀x∈W SF(x) ∧ ∀D G(x,D)) — Therefore, no world with universal SF and universal goodness is logically possible.
P6. If a feature (e.g., SF) exists in the actual world and cannot be accounted for by physicalism, determinism, or abstracta, then it requires a necessarily existing personal moral source.
P7. Only the MGB can serve as this metaphysically sufficient ground.
P8. If the MGB exists in any world, then by S5 modal logic: □MGB exists.

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III. Deductive Argument (Proof Sketch)
1.SF exists in the actual world (P1).
2.SF entails the possibility of moral deviation (P2).
3.A world where all agents always do good precludes SF (P3–P4).
4.Therefore, the existence of evil is logically necessary if SF exists (¬◇W where all SF agents always choose good).
5.Therefore, any world containing SF agents and moral structure must include the possibility of evil.
6.SF, moral value, and their grounding cannot be explained by physicalism, determinism, or impersonal abstracta (empirical and conceptual analysis).
7.Therefore, a necessary, moral, personal being is required to ground the reality of SF and objective moral values.
8.The only candidate that fulfills this is the MGB.
9.If the MGB exists in any world, then by S5 modal logic: □MGB exists.
10.Therefore: □God exists.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

It's not cherry picking. They are direct examples meant to refute a claim about education.
None of your examples do that. They introduce other characteristic that aren't relevant to the current argument.

Also the witch hunts, Inquisition, and largest pedophile - what ever that means - aren't "Christian". The faith of Christianity does not teach to do those things. Bad actors using the faith isn't the faith.
Do you think all Muslims are suicide bombers? (Come on, let's get real).

As for the Crusades, I fully endorse them. They are not inherently bad. No more than the things that led up to the Crusades. There are many good consequences from the Crusades.

Get with it dude.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Christianity is responsible for the creation of universities and hospitals.
The most brilliant minds responsible for the foundational principles in science were theists.

What have atheists done? What have they created?

Nothing

It's an empty belief with empty people that produce empty results.

[Maximum atheist @Maximumatheist]

Is education illegal if you are a Christian?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

@Maximumatheist So you can't address my claim that atheism is an empty belief that has built nothing?
How apropos.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

@klusterfk10 @MartinLogicing @grok if the question is asked, "does God exist?", and the answer is a hard "no", is that a positive claim that carries some epistemic justification?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

If miracles happened all the time, would they still be miracles?

[Internet Atheists @AtheistTakes]

Why aren't miracles constantly happening?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Yes it does.
Free will brought on corruption.
What God made was perfect.
Every horrible thing you listed is the result of the corruption of what was once perfect.

[Mick Milee @MickMilee]

"God is all-loving and all-powerful"

Animals get eaten alive by parasites while conscious.
Children get bone cancer for no reason.
Tsunamis kill 300,000 in one day.
But God was busy saving your parking spot.
The "free will" defense doesn't explain animal suffering. Neither does "mysterious ways."

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Claiming that the majority is currently atheist doesn't refute the fact that it was built by theists. It just shows that atheists are intellectual thieves. They climbed the backs of the greatest minds (who were theists) and then planted their flag and said "look what did all by myself!"
That's what you celebrate?
Maximum Theft

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

No. To say "God does not exist" is a Positive claim.
There is a question, "Does God exist?"
The theist answers this question "yes".
The atheist answers "no".
Both of those answers are positive claims.
If atheists want no responsibility they would have to really claim agnostic. But then they wouldn't really be atheists would they?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

@joedyken @MartinLogicing Strawman?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Have you "fixed" it yet?
How's that going?

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Categorically false.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

If by flexing you mean, "do irreparable harm to", then yes.

[Natha Pee @nathapee_]

One of the biggest flexes you can have as a parent is raising your child without religion.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Let's examine that statement:
Fear of hell doesn't make you a good person.
On its face, it's true.
Simply being afraid of something wouldn't make anyone a good person - atheist or theist.
So what does make someone a "good" person? Most people would say it's their actions that make them "good". They are charitable, helpful, humble, honorable, they cause no harm, etc.
So if the fear of hell caused someone to act in this way then wouldn't they be "good"?

[The Bi Kara✨️⚡ @kris_Blaz96]

Fear of hell doesn't make you a good person

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

I guess this has more to do with your idea of what love is.
Also your misunderstanding of what hell is too.

[Ugo Cannon @UgoCannon]

An all-loving God would never create a place of torture.

Change my mind.

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

All children are born without belief in materialism.
Atheism is then shoved down their throats.
This is child abuse.

[Phoenix Atheist @AtheistPhoenix]

All children are born without belief in gods
Religion is then shoved down their throats
This is child abuse

[Kenneth Hammonds @KennethHam26159]

Amazing work atheist...
Except without God, you are exactly what you claim you're not. Your whole purpose for existence is to propogate the human race. Your only purpose in naturalism is to be that "baby host". If naturalism is true, your PHD is means nothing. Your mind means nothing.
If God is true, you are still that propogation but are also so much more.