I agree that realizing they are wrong could cause a mental disturbance. Also, I think they´re not sure what to believe and trust from a personal story. There are many aspects of experiencing severe emotional distress that appear universal. When I read people’s stories, I trust them because they fit my experience. Personally I feel that the MH field should be able to learn from personal stories. But the field needs to stop looking at personal stories as one individual´s story that doesńt relate to any other. They need to look at the collective of personal stories and see the commonality in them.
@recovery_your@Sober_In_Dublin Totally agree 👍. Often people who feel they have the answers don’t even understand the problem. Even the nicest people can lack compassion in areas they haven’t experienced and don’t understand.
I agree. Some people suggested I should discuss my experience before I could think clearly. That is a dangerous thing to do. You’re not in a position to make sense of the range of responses you will get. You not in a position to comprehend and response to criticism and you can count on some negative responses. That’s the catch 22. You need understanding and support but talking can just add to the problem. It can give you more to recover from.
It sad that some say schizophrenia can’t be caused by a life experience because people will suggest the family (particularly mother) is the problem. There is plenty of abuse throughout society that will result in major psychological damage and cause such psychological issue. Schizophrenia most often happens in young adulthood when people are coping with many stresses. You can definitely have good parents and loving families and still develop very serious psychological issues including schizophrenia. There are plenty of dysfunctional/abusive people out there to mess you up. It’s not necessarily one’s mother.
@psy0pium@TraceyHiggins92 People often do need medication to get out of a psychosis. But that doesn’t mean they have a life long biological illness. People can recover from experiences that resulted in profound psychological damage.
I agree with you. There are experiences that will cause extreme psychological distress that will be a problem regardless of how one handled them. I think it’s pretty bad to suggest to people that no matter what happened or what level of pain you’re in the only problem is how you’re handling it.
If by unwell you mean not seeing things objectively, then everyone is unwell and wrong in certain perceptions and interpretations. Because everyone has different life experiences and carries different emotional issues which of course influence their view. I went to a therapist once and if I hadn’t already figured out of lot of the issues I deal with, she would have totally messed with my mind by telling me what’s normal and perceptions or emotional reactions I had were wrong. When people go to a therapist, they don’t know the therapist’s psychological issues. They don’t know what’s influencing the therapist’s perceptive. The therapist is presented as an expect when they are subjective in their views. How mind messing is it when someone is already sitting on enough emotion that is hard to see anything clearly and they have a therapist’s subjective opinion thrown at them as truth.
@RyanMalphrus@RLewisTherapy Everyone judges (evaluates other’s situation) in accordance with what they believe. You don’t? What do you do? Didn’t you say you something like you help redirect unwell people.
@RyanMalphrus@RLewisTherapy I agree with Richard. Yours, or any therapist, understanding of another person’s situation, is subjective. Imposing a subjective opinion as truth adds to distress and confusion. To be judged unwell and othered is very bad for one’s mental health.
Setting aside what she says. She is intense because it’s really hard to get rid of emotion around seriously harmful experiences. So people are intense in how they express their views. Understandable. Also, true of everyone to some degree. But there is a fundamental disagreement, we have, and I have with the mental health system, on what can/will cause serious psychological issues as well as how harmful believing in abnormality as the cause is to recovery.
I don’t subscribe to everything she says. But I do understand the issue she is referring to in the original post. I don’t think you do. I don’t agree that believing psychological problems are always coming from abnormal biology or function in the individual doesn’t make a difference even if it’s wrong. It makes all the difference in the world in treatment. I kept my struggle a secret to avoid being treated the way people treat you in accordance with that view. It was important for my recovery.
So you are saying what worked for you will work for everyone regardless of the life circumstances or the psychological issues they are facing. Psychological issues don’t vary a little. They vary a lot! I agree, if you can act normal, you can get better responses. People won’t realize that you have a problem at all. So they will treat you as you don’t and that’s a much better way to be treated. Better for recovery. But sometimes that’s not possible. Particularly at the bi-polar or schizophrenic level. I stayed away from the MH system because their view is inaccurate and people are treated in ways that make recovery more difficult. I wanted to recover. Really recover to a relaxed happy person. Not just cope. What I did gave me that; but I don’t go around telling everyone do what I did. There are a lot of different situations out there.
I re-read what she said in case I missed something. I didn’t see where she suggested that clinicians should act as police or lawyer, investigating illegal activities. I think she said, what I said, that the MH system has a view that people don’t develop their MH issues through life experiences at least never completely. The MH system believe it’s an abnormality within the individual, and treats people in accordance with that view. She’s saying it’s gaslighting because if you know your psychological issues came about from something you experienced, you are told, you are wrong. You have a disorder and need to take this medication to correct your chemical imbalance or therapy for your abnormality in thought or behavior. Imagine people do experience their psychological struggle because of what happened. How would being treated like that feel. Would that help you recover or add to the emotional upset?
I wouldn’t say that everyone sees the categories as made up. I think they have been presented as known scientific diseases that require medication and many look at the categories that way. Do you watch the abundance of commercial for psychotropic medications? The presentation isn’t humans made up the categories: schizophrenia, bi polar, depression. It’s if you have been diagnosed as having these mental disorders, try our medication.
But you’re right, many people do want the labels because it’s better than having their struggle laughed at and their character defamed. Also, there are many people who want people (other than themself) labeled so they don’t have to consider any legitimacy to differences (in viewpoint and behavior) that they don’t like.