I mean it would be a really weird jumping off book because Spider-Man comics were mostly quite bad for two decades beforehand and then improved dramatically in quality for a few years afterwards
@AToflinski Absolutely. And I mean if we’re honest - Krakoa itself could never live up to that start either. Nothing that came after was as good, nor could it be. One of the best stories in franchise history
So far, I think From The Ashes probably has a stronger median level of quality than the Krakoa era X-line had most of the time but *really* lacks the highs.
No book anything like as bad as Fallen Angels / X-Corp / Marauders Vol 2. No book close to as good as Hellions, Immortal
@AToflinski 100%. Was just thinking that in retrospect a lot of the early Krakoa titles were just ~ok but they had such a MASSIVE bank of goodwill from HoxPoX being so incredible and that really gave serious momentum. No equivalent right now
The X-Factor (no pun intended) of course is that there was a far greater sense of cohesion and vision in Krakoa which elevated even relatively humdrum books like Excalibur or Marauders V1 that’s absent so far here. Hopefully it can gain momentum as it goes
If we’re comparing launch titles alone, it’s probably pretty even? I don’t think anyone would pretend the first year or so of post-HoXPoX books were classics in retrospect, though there were several excellent standalone issues of Hickman X-Men in there.
Bendis, Guggenheim and Duggan all did basically the same thing with Kitty; I would argue the first did it most successfully and the second did it least successfully but I really don’t see how the third was any great advance beyond her tweaking the name she went by
Unsure if this is a hot take but I think it’s silly to say Exceptional X-Men regressed Kitty’s character when I really don’t think the Krakoa era actually advanced it at all
It’s still extremely bizarre that we just had a lengthy era where Moira McTaggart was at the centre of the X-universe and we got virtually no substantive reactions to this from any of the characters close to her except Xavier: not Rahne, not Sean, not even Jamie or Proteus
@cyclopsiryn I think you can honestly go back further because the line was already spinning its wheels for a while before Inferno, but no doubt at all that Inferno was the end of something
My nightmare scenario for MacKay’s X-Men is that it basically becomes “Duggan’s X-Men but with slightly more personality” and that definitely took a step closer to reality with this issue
X-Men #2 was an extremely functional comic, which means it was better than virtually every issue of the prior volume of X-Men without ever threatening to rise to being actually good
@L0ngTermParking@excel522 Yeah agree with this. He wrapped it up but he didn’t do anything until that point.
To be fair that seems to be because she was assigned to the Orchis side of the X-universe and thus in Duggan’s purview and he, as usual, did fuck all