Michael Heise

Founder of LP Mises Caucus, Disciple of Ron Paul

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

Scott, I’m not going to do this with you. Its a strategy debate, not a fight.

You have my number, you havent reached out. You can call anytime and if I’m not working or dealing with familial duties, we’ll talk anytime.

It’s beyond me why you’d take such offense to responding to Tucker’s call for a new party.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@scotthortonshow I’m going on with Dave next week. Thats what was asked of me. And I think you know that?

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@MattSmi14872170 @ComicDaveSmith @ALPNational @scotthortonshow Right. But my point is you can see how sticky it is to even go in that direction.

If the GOP thing is such a rock solid case, why try to discredit Bret via his brother when they are public in being quite different?

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

I’ll be on with @ComicDaveSmith sometime next week to discuss the merits of the @ALPNational strategy

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

As for state ballots, its going to be a process for sure. But there absolutely examples of state parties changing names. Its a state by state scenario. Theres state parties right niw that have different names. That said, the national party, the most important thing and the main brand, absolutely can change its name without issue,

Even worst case scenario state situations can get there in time.

And compared to what? Starting a new party? Winning a primary you dont have the numbers or institutional support to win? The most important thing is the ballot access.

I again take the focus on a technicality like this that doesnt matter that much in the grand scheme of things instead of the merits of the idea to be a weakness in the argument

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@CptAncapistan The guy knows better than anybody through real life experience how the entrenchment works.

Theres a reason Tucker, Marjorie and Massie started the whole new party convo.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

Eh, I dont think so. The whole “we can take over the gop thing” is backed by assertion and hopium. There are a lot of people coming to us from the America First segment of the GOP precisely because of experiencing the entrenchment.

Theres a whole lot more to taking over a party besides voting in a primary, but that never gets touched on for some reason.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@LearnToToad @ALPNational This is dumb. Watch Bret’s content and know that theres a real split in their relationship over this.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@teddlem @ComicDaveSmith @ALPNational Why would I say something that isnt true?

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@eds_perspective @ComicDaveSmith @ALPNational Libertarians gotta show up and engage the coalition and the convo.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@EricLDaugh Is whether or not this actually happens a bet on Kalshi and Polymarket by any chance?

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@redflameliberty I am :)

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

Why is it that nobody is even attempting to address these issues with a GOP run?

I think its because they know they are true but want to keep selling the hope that we can change everything in 1 election cycle instead of the slow grind of building our own weapon.

And so nothing gets built, the establishment that controls the primaries always wins and we repeat the cycle over and over again from scratch.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

. @ComicDaveSmith I understand the appeal of the “easy path” running through the GOP in this moment. No matter what theres no easy path here. That said, I do think that the adherents to the lets take over the GOP idea need to address several issues with the ideas:

1. Why did all of the America First candidates lose their primary elections in the same political environment that delivered the GOP Bloodbath? It wasnt just Massie. Its Casey Putch, its Fishbeck, who had real grassroots support. Brandon Herrera just lost. All of them. And why were they such a minority of the candidates in the primaries?

2. Would anybody that we want to win the primary get the boomer vote, who is by far the biggest primary voter base? If not, whats the pathway? Massie’s race showed that you can win every other age demographic but if you don’t get boomers, it becomes extremely uphill.

3. Has the donor base of the GOP changed? Wouldnt the kind of sweeping reformation of the GOP run directly counter to the donor class? How do you defeat that machine? I mean real logistics; what exactly does that look like? Whose the new donor class thats going to sustain this new GOP and America First candidates against the lobby and the tech-bros?

4. Given the entrenchment how do you get around the kind of fuckery and rule changes that we already have seen done to Ron Paul? Whats the delegate strategy? Its not as simple as pulling a lever when you start accounting for boomer-led local and state level GOPs.

5. Despite the national unpopularity, Trump remains very popular within the GOP and Trump has been very willing to empower neocons and establishment goons. His primary endorsements hsve done quite well.

Part of what enabled Trump to do what he did in 2016 was his billionaire status and his extreme fame. That will be working against us. Maga hates us. How is that penetrated?

6. Nick Fuentes, who has himself a huge America First audience, can admit that this movement does not have the numbers to straight up win major elections. He fully embraces the need for insurgent tactics and the need for Joker energy to break out of the henpecking thats animates “but the democrats will win”. I just dont see how the same old thinking will win the day.

7. 2 Years ago, what just happened would have been considered impossible. The Ds were utterly destroyed and repudiated. In the first 100 days Trump was at peak popularity and vibes were high.

In order to achieve this, have the Ds undergone radical change? Or did they just adjust rhetoric to the moment to placate the base while keeping the same goals and direction? What makes you think that something like that cant or wont happen on the right after we get back to how awful they are?

8. You are shooting for victory. Whats the plan to build something durable for this movement in the event that it goes the way all the other America First primaries have gone? Is it win or bust? If not, whats the logistics for having a weapon of our own in the general? Because the inertia will be to just fall back to lesser of 2 evils with nothing to show for it and run this game from scratch over and over again. Building our own ecosystem ought to be the goal whether its GOP or 3rd party.

9. Would you back Desantis if thats who the estsblishment gets behind because he has both conservative and nationalist bonefides while also being a zionist?

10. How do you account for the fact that the GOP was in fact just reformed yet here we stand?

11. Whats the long term plan, even if we win? We just saw pretty much everything good that we had in the govt wiped out. Massie was very popular; gone. Free state house reps, 20 years of work just devastated. At what point do we pick up our balls and form our own army, smaller though it may be, and fight assymettrically, guerrilla-style? Such tactics have faired quite well against traditionally overwhelming opponents.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@redflameliberty You’re out there doing it man. Respect

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@Jtodd601 Sad to see Tulsi hasnt used the opportunity to break off

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@Unregul8ed No, he’s said he doesnt want to go back to DC. Multiple times.

But to answer your question because you can have a historic impact AND not go back to DC.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

Has anybody who thinks Massie will win the GOP nomination paid attention to the fact that he keeps steadfastly saying he does not want to return to DC?

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

@RealJonThorp Yes to local, no to primary. Not until the age demos move. Our own political lane, like what Tucker, Massie and Marjorie have said.

[Michael Heise @MisesChair]

And nah, you dont get to gloss over the Massie thing. He spent about $20 million too in a dustrict where he had name saturation, incumbent advantage, and was very popular.

He list because boomers sided with MAGA and AI ads. Its clear as day in the demo lgraphic data.

But you expect me to believe that if you stretch that out nationally that he’ll do better with boomers?

I’m not the delusional one here,