Morgan Cook

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@JohnDoyle Wait what does Emma Watson have to do with any of this

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@right2scripture @CapturingChrist @jwarnerwallace Reading scripture is great but it isn’t a sacrament instituted by our Lord by which he directly confers grace.

Reading scripture won’t obtain forgiveness of sins. And most people have been illiterate.

But we all must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus or we have no life

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@BibleInContext1 Archaic use of word with a different meaning than it has today

Dude I’m not that smart and I know this is a really stupid argument. Peoples’ marriage vows used to say “with my body I thee worship” and it wasn’t idolatrous

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 Have a good evening!

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 It says they present the prayers to God

You and I agree that God put them in the bowls (so he’s already heard them)

So they re-present the prayers to God

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 From where

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 The saints are depicted as presenting prayers to God, via the imagery of bowls and incense, to map to our understanding of incense in a liturgy here.

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 If they go into bowls, God must’ve put them there or the saints put them there. But it doesn’t really matter, in any case, the saints are the ones presenting these prayers to God, and God is the ultimate cause of the prayers being here

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 So they present prayers to God, prayers they must’ve received from God, they’re not just lying around on the ground, it’s not like God hasn’t heard them yet waiting for someone to grab them

Intercession is when someone asks you to pray for them, you present their prayer to God

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 Harp
Golden bowls full of incense which are prayers of the saints

It does not mention gathering. They simply have them. God must’ve given them to them. Why else would they have them to present to God? Why involve them at all if it’s all directly to God without involving them?

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 When someone prays for you by request, they aren’t violating Christ’s once for all time eternal mediation between God and man. They’re participating in a lesser sense. So when saints in heaven take our prayers to god and intercede for us, they too don’t violate Christ’s mediation

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 People intercede for each other all the time. In this lesser and nonunique sense we mediate for each other, but only Christ mediates in the unique and ultimate sense.

Intercession on earth is no different than intercession in heaven in this regard

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 That’s really all intercession is. Someone asks you to present their prayer to God. “Pray for my cancer” or “pray for my marriage”. You take that same prayer and offer it to God yourself. In heaven, God makes them aware of the prayer request, so they can add their intercession

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 Which is precisely what we see here in revelation. The Saints are offering our prayers to God. That happens because God gives them the prayers, so they can offer them back to him.

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 It really seems like the onus is on you to show how they don’t receive or give prayers to God since Rev 5 and 8 show that they do. The default assumption and the plain reading here should be that the saints do this since that’s how they’re depicted

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@_Leon_Camero @ReformedToRome @Truth_matters20 Why are the saints involved in this process at all then in Revelation if they supposedly have nothing to do with how God has ordered intercession and prayer?

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@JayTheBap @patrickmadrid @MrCasey62 No one in the first century was out here giving trinitarian formulations. No one was even using the language or philosophical categories we later adopted. I think if you weren’t a Trinitarian before Nicaea it wasn’t sinful, but afterwards it was sinful to be an Arian for instance

[Morgan Cook @MorganCook6451]

@JayTheBap @patrickmadrid @MrCasey62 This is the point of having an ecumenical council, to settle a dispute and authoritatively, with God’s aid and protection, end debate. To move a question from open to closed. To make it sinful to willfully persist in dissent where before it was merely error. To correct heresy.