@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee It really seems like you are just trying not to understand my view. Of course I agree that ethnicity is of no importance to salvation.
But I do believe in a future end times, where the land and the people of Israel, once again take center stage in Gods story.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee Ah okay. I disagree (at least to the extend where your interpretation means that you are not expecting a second coming in the future).
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee I am referring to the son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven Daniel 7, Zechariah 14, Acts 1:11, just the general idea of the second coming and him returning to Jerusalem.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee Let's take your view that the root is Israel of God.
What does that do towards your claim that Israel of God is the only relevant Israel? And that Israel which has rejected God has no longer a part to play in the epic redemptive story God is telling through history?
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee Of course also in a prophet sense. Do you not believe that Christ will return at the mount of olives as he said he would?
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee Also, what do you think the crusaders where doing? The land has always been considered important within Christianity.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee The popularity of a view doesn't make it true or not.
(a bit like how the believe in Christ was the minority view among the 1st century Jews).
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee We've already discussed the olive tree plenty.
The purpose of Romans 9 is to show how and why the followers of Christ are and where in the minority among the Jews, even though following Christ is the correct position.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee The church can be wrong at times, especially about minor issues. (this really was a minor issue until the state of Israel was re-established).
@Atilla135924@vult_dues Would these chronological calculations by any change be based on Hadiths?🤔
In which case, why don't you go with the Hadiths that directly give here age, instead of going through all the hoops of these calculations?
https://t.co/sspa4GRv9K
@arsh_nadee2411@vult_dues 10 for honesty.
0 for morality.
It is wrong because it can hurts a girl mentally.
It is also wrong because it can hurts a girl physically (unless Mohammed had a micro penis).
On top of that, it is also wrong because by doing so, Mohammed has set a bad example for others.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee I accept that Paul uses "Israel of God" once, and that he also means that in "not all who are of Israel are Israel".
I don't accept that that is what he is talking about in Romans 11. Not at all. And you agree that the other 4 Israel's in Romans 11 do not refer to that.
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee So the nations, who follow Christ, are distinct from his people, whom he reclaims. (and why would he have to reclaim them unless they where lost).
@ChristianKyouma@DoctorPauls@kangminlee Let's look at Isaiah 11.
In verse 10 he says:
"the nations will rally to him"
So these are the gentile Christians.
But then it goes on to say in verse 11:
"In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the surviving remnant of his people"