@Mormonger Nicene theology didn’t create Christianity any more than Newton created gravity. They articulated and defined what was already in scriptures
Ok…I’m a UAP skeptic, but I’m interested and aware of news over the past 5 years or so. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But…
Tonight I saw something I can’t explain.
I’m in a U.S. Forest renting a cabin in Central California. I look up admiring the stars looking for satellites. I see what looks like a satellite - about the same brightness and speed. Steady direction of travel like I would expect. The object suddenly pulses brighter and I think “that’s odd. Maybe it’s catching the light of the sun.” Then it slightly dims and BANKS A HARD LEFT AND SPEEDS OFF!!!
I’ve seen hundreds of meteors before. This was unlike any meteor I’ve seen.
What did I just see?
#uap #ufo #rosscouthart
@NatNatMucci Or if you don’t like seeing the Bible verses, just turn off your TV or don’t attend the game. Your post is harassing me and oppressing my views.
@nithyavraman Thanks for already coming to a conclusion without all the facts and before the referenced investigation is completed. As a city council member, you already know when the body worn video will be released, so why not just say that
@HoggeSpenc428@appraiserjacob@TeeplesCY@grok “I have never preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture.”
Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 13:95
So you’re saying the president of the church can make false teachings. Which ones of your current president are false?
@realKellyKnight Unearned knowledge is definitely a problem in modern culture, but I think your church can’t answer fundamental questions about its foundation. I’m not talking about theology - I’m talking about historical information that tends to undermine the credibility of its claims
We have all made mistakes - but not everyone claims to be the voice of God, who is infallible.
This was taught and presented as truth by church presidents through the 1970s. Were all nine of the previous presidents who taught this wrong? If so, what teaching commonly accepted as doctrine today will be reversed and buried tomorrow?
I’m less concerned if he was perfect or not - who is perfect? I’m questioning if he is credible in his claim to be a prophet of God
Re: Methodism - I’m not familiar with that branch of Protestantism, but I think most are Sola Scriptura. I’m unaware of any passage of the Old or New Testament that says people of African descent have the Mark of Cain
I agree that any honest student of history should consider their sources and their credibility. Critics can distort, exaggerate, and misrepresent. But so can followers. That’s why I’m willing to listen to followers, critics, friends, enemies, and independently verifiable information.
To be clear, I’m not asking if JS was perfect. Of course he wasn’t. Who is? I’m asking if he was truly a prophet. That’s the same standard I would ask of OT prophets too.
I don’t think the Jesus comparison is parallel. Many of the most compelling arguments against JS come from his own words, his associates, contemporaries and church records.
Did his prophetic claims come to pass? Did he translate by divine power like he claimed?
A CEO of a company getting caught speeding does not disprove he is the CEO; however, a CEO falsifying company records would be directly relevant to whether he should be trusted.
JS: treasure hunting, adultery, false translation of “Book of Abraham”, failed prophesies, contradictory accounts of first vision, admitted deception about polygamy, the Kinderhook Plates, etc.
You: “But Peter denied Christ”
This argument might work on casuals, but it’s ridiculous to an informed Christian.
@grok the fact that textual errors exist in different manuscripts is undeniable. Would most critics, even non-Christian ones, concede that the vast majority of the errors are trivial? Does the BOM have any variation between versions or errors - however minor?