@Promythious Hell no!!
Me and logic?
Respectfully speaking to the body of Christ
God forbid that I am a member of that church
If you no tell me I have enough description about how you look
@oadefisayo@BrotherPossible Context matters, it really does
In their time smoking and drinking alcohol wasnt viewed as sin not even close
So it is quite harsh to call him an hypocrite
What was universally known as sin then are not now and vice versa
I expect more from a reformed mind
@BrotherPossible@Saintsheyjde The problem is not even the naming entirely, its the function, if you could function in line with what scriptures says even though you weren't ordained(still suspicious though), they would have a stronger argument
1. Give speculative words from God as prophecies.
2. They obviously fail.
3. Run a series titled, "Why prophecies fail", and blame tht recipient for his obvious fail.
4. New series on honor for pastors.
5. Final series on, "don't wash dirty linens outside".
Hey, it's Monday‼️😅
@oadefisayo@d_ocheido So you’re confident God didn’t call Kathryn Kuhlman because of a verse about women preaching taken from a specific context.
But when people question your interpretation of that same verse, suddenly it’s “clear doctrine”?
@oadefisayo@d_ocheido It’s actually wild that the most quoted verses by Reformers don’t even mean what they think they mean… yet those same verses are used to build entire doctrines.
But yeah “sola scriptura,” right?
At what point do we admit it’s not scripture speaking, but your interpretation
I have being seeing this on X and i decided to add my bit as the debate is more interesting than both sides are making it.
From what i have done with my little study the text is too honest for "God doesn't kill" to survive serious scrutiny but "divine sovereignty" as a full stop answer isn't engagement, you can't honestly say because its consistent its then should be accepted, thats too rigid and it's just a system protecting itself.
What I thibk nobody is actually asking is what the killing reveals about God's character especially the other side if its true and that's the only question worth having.(because ofc to conclude that God kills or He doesn't really do not really help me or anyone which is my biggest issue with the side arguing God does Kill)
So which brings me to ask hwo both sides cases are presented in the bible
First: the immediate judgments that feel most disturbing, Uzzah, Nadab and Abihu, Ananias and Sapphira, they seem random but they are not. Look at the pattern, they happen at specific moments; The inauguration of the ark's movement. The launch of the Levitical priesthood. The birth of the early church. God is not casually violent. He's establishing something so serious that casualness at the founding moment cannot be accommodated.(I think this passes the scrutiny)
So i can therefore conclude that the severity is proportional to the weight of what's being inaugurated. Not cruelty. Jsut gravity of case at hand
Second; the "innocent" killing objection is real and deserves honesty not deflection. The Canaanite children. The Egyptian firstborn. And honestly theseare genuinely hard, you cant just start spilling sovereignty facts and tahts where the hypergrace movement have issues, they are trying to BE IN and therefore do not see it consistent with God(though sincere but blindsided, more sincere than most reformers) it is so hard that serious theologians who hold full biblical authority still find them difficult and you see that difficulty is not faithlessness its just honest engagement with a text that doesn't resolve everything neatly
But here's what both sides keep missing.
The killing in scripture is never the first movement. It's always the last movement of a patience that is almost unreasonable. Warnings upon warnings Prophets. Decades. Sometimes centuries. The judgment when it finally comes is what happens after everything else has been exhausted. (I wish I could argue more on this but I have to get to my climax as quickly as possible)
Now lets now see if he New Testament resolutes this:
We see that Jesus doesn't eliminate the tension. He reframes it in one specific way.
In John 3:16: God so loved the world that he GAVE his Son.
I think we all hold one belief that the giving of the Son is the ultimate divine act toward the world. And it's an act of self giving not world destroying and the cross is where God absorbs the judgment rather than dispensing it, it is where the killing falls on God himself rather than on humanity.
And no i am not trying to explain away every OT killing passage. But it establishes the beautiful trajectory of where divine holiness encountering human sin is ultimately headed.
It's not toward anotherdestruction. Toward the Creator absorbing that destruction himself.
So does God kill?
Yes, God kills in scripture. Denying it is just dishonest.
The killing is never arbitrary in the text, It's always more like a collision of radical holiness with sustained unrepentant evil or covenant violation.
It is hard to see all of it and say "God is love" until you understand that love and holiness are not opposites in God's character, tgey work together. And a love that has no holiness is not love at all..
That's the biblical answer. Is it comfortable. No
is it simple. No(technically yes but we dont really understandthe concept of love, too many imbalances).
But it is honest.
Always enjoy your tweets @oadefisayo@Lawal_oluwadami@Saintsheyjde@Mohsule_
This is where the doctrine of GOD KILLS leads.
This is the destination.
To acquiesce to faithlessness and FATE.
To glorify death and expect it.
This is where the ‘Hebrew boys’ theology leads.
The syntax ‘if’, which they mean to be ‘if God won’t deliver us’.
I have said here that the context of that ‘if’ is ‘if Nebuchadnezzar changes his mind, not if God fails to deliver’.
“If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.”
Daniel 3:17-18 KJV
If what be so?
“Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?”
Daniel 3:15 KJV
If you don’t worship the image, I will cast you into the fire!
The three Hebrew boys were not saying God may save them or not, they already said He will.
They were saying if Nebuchadnezzar goes ahead with his threat or not!
Meanwhile, JESUS NEVER FAILED TO HEAL ANY ONE WHO ASKED HIM!!
“And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.”
Luke 6:19 KJV
You see this doctrine of FATE?
That’s what they are selling on Christian Twitter with all their illiterate ‘isms’.
“Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.”
Mark 11:24 KJV
This is the @SpiricocoNg that maligns Harrison o, a person who needs to be taught.
Here saying God never promised that every time we pray for the sick they will be healed?
Turn God to an uncertain episode of deity.
It may work, it may not work, that’s not faith, that’s FATE!
Who then did Jesus fail to heal?
Terrible theology!