@quinnthegm I honestly think that the HotD showrunners “love” their source material - which is filtered through their personal interpretations and preferences. But they give sense they’re “paying attention” to lore details, Easter eggs they didn’t need to do.
D&D gave us “Gendry Rivers”
I honestly do think the marketing for S2 played a big role in this toxicity. By leaning heavily into fans picking sides in a show about a pointless war fueled by misogyny entrenched people into stan wars which resulted in the actors (mainly Olivia and Emma) getting a lot of hate
@lysssortizz@bittersteel196 tweet said ‘olivia AND emma’ yet you follow it up by only mentioning ‘a few mean comments about olivia’. black & other poc on the show def get it worse and it shouldn’t be ignored while you also contribute to the weird behaviour in the fandom.
@afiremations@fabiola_liano@toutestt well you see neither of them were catty or tried to stab each other so clearly they were just doing sappy women shit because obviously nothing two women discuss could be serious if they aren’t acting like a they stepped off of real housewives
@toutestt It's such a wild sentiment because like the last rhaenicent scene was not sappy and was in fact cruel lol. and the sept scene was also no heart to heart. are people really this blind to it simply because these women are sad and conflicted about it, and therefore 3 dimensional?
@murielswedding_ than her motherhood and outside of loving her children she is a complex figure. like motherhood being a reason to like/dislike complex female characters is annoying af because mean aren't tied to fatherhood like this
@murielswedding_ also (and then im done) why is it only female characters tied to motherhood? they do the same shit to cersei. "she may be evil, but her redeeming quality is her motherhood." so you're saying y'all would that hate her if she was a bad mother--when cersei is far more
@murielswedding_ and how come it's 'alicent hates her kids' but she loves helaena more than anything. the answer is probably because people would have to admit that her sons actions led to her complicated feelings
@murielswedding_ they claim they wanted a nuance portrayal of alicent but cannot even stomach that a woman forced to have kids, would have a complicated relationship with them that eventually withers due to so many circumstances. but god forbid she doesn't worship her sons
@murielswedding_ we should talk about how alicent's morality and likeability in the fandom was solely tied to motherhood forced upon her, and how that is a huge issue of misogyny. 'we just wanted her to be an evil but badass mom' is so gross because what-motherhood is all she is meant for?
i hate this "let women be pure evil" type of shit. women HAVE BEEN casted as pure evil. in fact thats the only type of evil women have been able to be in media historically. acting like its groundbreaking to have an irredeemable Queen Mother who dies in the end lmfao.
@Targ_Loyalist That’s why I’m convinced people complain just to complain. These people constantly sat around and said how much they wanted Rhaenyra the cruel and now when we’re getting that they switch up and are now saying the show is villainizing Rhaenyra lmao.
Agreed!! Modern audience reactions do make it harder for shows like Thrones to fully lean into morally grey and controversial storytelling the way they used to. I remember people losing it when Emma D'Arcy said that in an interview, some even started saying the show is now villainizing Rhaenyra and they hate it 😭
this is one of the reasons why I tweeted that GOT in 2026 is impossible to make. For these new audiences. Emma should not be saying this, but they have to. Y'all are too intellectually dishonest, fragile & overly righteous. You cannot handle problematic & questionable fiction.
GoT invented like 3 targ kings for 0 reason and none you so much as raised a finger against d&f. y'all can handle a one-off princess from the pre-dynasty era.