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Fr. Coughlin shows us what pseudo-saint Paul VI would have looked like had he possessed actual heroic virtue.
Ok, I won't listen to Jeff.
*reads Pope's statement*
So Leo prays that sports becomes a vehicle for natural good - that's fine.
But, he could have made it a way to witness for salvation, i.e. the supernatural.
The point being that in Novus Ordo world, salvation appears to be secondary because of the heavy implications from both word and deed that most are saved, or at least the Church is not directly necessary for salvation.
If you don't believe me, then count how many times recent Popes say things like the above versus explicitly telling non-Catholics the necessity of conversion to the Church and the sacraments for salvation.
Go on, give us a count, son.
Even criminals can tell the Church is in a crisis, that says a lot.
@peterswindal@CatholicPods Exactly.
Most "Catholic" Universities are cesspools. Bishops don't lift a finger against them, and these places poison thousands of souls every year.
@TLM_Ryan It only "works out" if all every single convert can bring 10 people in every single time, which is not going to happen.
So, no idea what this dude is talking about, just posting Novus Ordo slop for likes.
@MLJHaynes Ah yes, the "very precise" teaching from the Church about how demons cannot manifest as objects in the sky, or appear as others beings. Yes, those teachings, wherever they are.
People calling John XXIII a "saint" without considering the lack of heroic virtue and astronomical decisions that have damaged millions of souls (and stop with the "infallibility" argument as that is severely limited in canonization, and canonizations can still be political and imprudent).
His own canonization is a continuation of the failures he started in life.
There's two things going on here.
First the Father is the primitive principle in Spiration - the Son participates because He receives the power of Spiration form the Father, but the Son is not the primitive principle.
Second, Spiration is a manifestation of the love between the Father and son. As such, if the filioque did not exist, then the Holy Ghost would not have a distinction between Himself and the Son because the Persons would eternally "originate" without relation to the other.
Hence, the Father retains his monarchical role (primitive principle), and the Holy Ghost and the Son are not separated. Thereby making a reality of the unity and love of the Holy Trinity, as the filioque is principally a manifestation of the love between the Father and Son.
As Ott points out:
"The co-ordinating formula (filioque) and the subordinating formula (per filium) concur essentially, in so far as they both attest that both the Father and the Son are the Principle of the Holy Ghost and they also complement each other. While in the former the unicity and the indivisibility of the Principle are above all expressed, the latter effectively stresses that the 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐞 (𝐜𝐟. 𝐒𝐭. 𝐀𝐮𝐠𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞, 𝐃𝐞 𝐓𝐫𝐢𝐧. 𝐗𝐕 𝟏𝟕,𝟐𝟗: 𝐝𝐞 𝐪𝐮𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐜𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐩𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐞𝐫), 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐬 "𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝" 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐩𝐥𝐞, 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐫 𝐚𝐬 𝐇𝐞, 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐇𝐢𝐬 𝐄𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞, 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐞𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. 𝐂𝐟. 𝐃 𝟔𝟗𝟏.
4. Scholastic Proof from Reason
As the real difference of the Divine Persons derives exclusively from an opposition of the original relationships (D 703) there would exist no basis for the hypostatic distinction between the Son and the Holy Ghost, if the Holy Ghost did not also proceed from the Son. Cf. S. Tho. I 36, 2 S 13· The Generation of the Son from the Intellect of the Father"
[pp. 64-65]
So to answer the question, it's both Jesus asking the Father, and also Jesus sending the Holy Ghost, at the same time - a Mystery of course.
@VaticanNews Vague, Hallmark card-like quote.
True progress is everyone converting to Catholicism, working on their spiritual life, and implementing spiritual and corporal works of mercy.
Not normally.
The exception is if there is a clear declarative language intended to bind the universal Church to a matter of faith or morals, e.g. "We declare, pronounce, and define... is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”