@GeorgeBatt34036@gregsart Is there a "universal idea of 4"? If one of those apples was bitten, is it still 4? If one of those dots were transparent, does it count as 4? It all depends on how the human observing defines it.
@GeorgeBatt34036@gregsart It doesn't matter if it's apples or dots, point is that you can evidently demonstrate 4 objects. Can you evidently demonstrate gods?