"Let’s not be identitarian" is obviously an iterated prisoner's dilemma on a mass scale, and disaffected young white men are NOT the party that defected first.
This sounds woke because it is woke. Same operating system, different inputs. Identity politics is wrong when leftists do it, and it's wrong when the right does it.
@AdemLuz That's all well and good but my mom actually told me to my face she's rooting against [people like] me. Similarly, I've been made to attend lessons at school all about how it's just and right to root against me.
@kdbacho@AliceFromQueens You might not be you if a butterfly had flapped its wings differently, but your familial line would probably still be in a similar set of circumstances.
@kdbacho@AliceFromQueens Yeah I mean it's vibes based. Strictly speaking you wouldn't be you if you had some slightly different genetic makeup. So it's a question of what criteria count for you 'still being you' enough. There are a few non-arbitrary lines. The individual is one, the clan is another.
@AliceFromQueens I guess so? My first impression of the question is that it's not quite coherent. If forced to make sense of it then the answer is 'yes depending on what you mean by deserve'. Presumably that's unsatisfying but my answer is really 'that's not a very good question'.
I imagined myself as an inner city gangbanger but then immediately stopped shooting people and went to college and felt really guilty about all the pain I'd caused and prayed every night for forgiveness and wondered often to myself how I was ever even able to do those things that now seem so out of character -- almost impossible actions, really -- as if they had been committed by an alien whose brain I can no longer access. Am I doing it right?
I imagined myself as an inner city gangbanger but then immediately stopped shooting people and went to college and felt really guilty about all the pain I'd caused and prayed every night for forgiveness and wondered often to myself how I was ever even able to do those things that now seem so out of character -- almost impossible actions, really -- as if they had been committed by an alien whose brain I can no longer access. Am I doing it right?
@eigenrobot One way to take the veil of ignorance truly seriously is to conclude that you should genocide the dispossessed. Most veil of ignorance enjoyers find this conclusion objectionable for some reason even though it's plausibly much more achievable than much of what they propose.
@a_climacus@martianwyrdlord Well yes obviously Japanese people deserve special exemptions for most things because they're simply better than others, but generally speaking foreigners don't pay relevant taxes and don't have a vested interest in the land, and so them paying more is an obvious compromise.
@Ruesavatar I guess I just honestly don't understand what you're doing here. Do you feel like shitting on people with positive valence towards their race (but only if white) is fine because you're also white? Because that doesn't make it less vulgar. You are as déclassé as they.
@Ruesavatar This is less absurd than – and in no small part a reaction to – such insanities as leftists proposing that illiterate somalians ought to be credited for the accomplishments of Wernher von Braun.
@Ruesavatar –It's something we can all take for granted. No, I was wrong about _why_.
No, I ought hate myself because my ancestors were wretched and poor and despicable, their toil brutish, humiliating, and without honor. And of course I myself am unlovable. Thank you for illuminating this.
@Ruesavatar Foolishly I believed myself privileged! –that my unscrupulous ancestors were so successful that it was in fact unfair, and in fact I should hate myself for it. But you have opened my eyes! I was entirely wrong – Not about the fact I should hate myself. We all agree on that point–
@AdolphsonFalkk The expectation of gratitude is cancer and can ruin anything good but also lily-white skin is very pretty and people who aren't possessed by a spirit of retardation agree. Also NEVER listen to media. Western media hates you in proportion to how virtuous and beautiful you are.