@sbodrojan I would say both the bands you listed are remarkably consistent for having relatively low output. What you're describing is Weezer or something
@TheTooSlowSloth@fiendformojitos He laments “Zeus’s law is broken,” proceeds to break it again in an epic “1 vs. 50” action sequence where he hid the opponents weapons before hand, and then gets everything he wanted for his family and doesn’t die? Steven Seagal has had less redeeming endings
@RCtheTrashMan The drawn out father and son “karate 20 guys at once” action sequence that some audiences were cheering for has the vibe of “this is bad?”
@TheTooSlowSloth@fiendformojitos When Odysseus begs Penelope for forgiveness in the end and almost dies (but doesn’t), is Nolan not asking the audience too? Literally none of the story works if you don’t buy into his repentance saga
@artwithinpod I think my foremost critique is that the film does not present a framework in which to resent Odysseus, despite him playing the lead role in what the film wants us to hate
@artwithinpod But Odysseus’s family are not random Trojan civilians. They are intensely complicit in the Greek’s war crimes and the principal violation of Xenia the film presents at Troy. The suitors seem to reap what Odysseus and his friends/family did the a large part of sowing
@fiendformojitos Her point is that these sort of fleeting moments that shy on making Odysseus and his men actually be evil on screen do not make the audience question for one bit he is still an unambiguously redeemed character.
@daveloach2 Because the algorithm does not reward nuance, it rewards narratives. Wilson is not appealing to any reactionaries here, which she makes obvious, but they are attempting to embrace her and fuel culture war anyway.
@EPM106 We are *told* Odysseus and his men are pigs who mindlessly slaughter, but never shown a reason not to empathize with their trials. Hence, Circe kind of just decides to help them
@EPM106 This is a very intriguing angle that Nolan doesn't explore by making the Greeks and Odysseus mostly sympathetic and not a truly evil ruling class
@M0BILESUITZER0 Unchartiable. She principally doesn't like Nolan's character writing, and most of her critiques fall directly in line with critiques of Nolan's other movies. She may be very attached to the original work, but she thinks Nolan makes dumbed-down choices on his own terms.
People are over-analyzing this. She principally dislikes Nolan's writing (many are in the same boat) and probably always has. But now it has come for a work she is intensely familiar with and attached to. She is just extrapolating age-old Nolan critiques here.
'The Odyssey' Translator Emily Wilson Slams Christoper Nolan's 'Abysmal' Screenplay: 'I Would Be Ashamed to Have Written Any Part of This Script' https://t.co/mjYTWw8Md9
@Aatif_Rashid@ghazablilhaq Read the whole article. She doesn’t believe Nolan properly articulates the implied moral nuances of his story, specifically not presenting a “plank” for the audience to reside. She believes this makes a lot of the character’s actions contradictory/nonsensical
@27Yeep@Sturgeons_Law You're underestimating how much Nolan has contributed to the somber, self-pitying action hero archetype that Wilson is describing. It is ubiquitous now, but it's not recognizable in Homer's Odysseus. It's all a matter of how tolerant you are of this.
@27Yeep@Sturgeons_Law I think he achieves exactly what that kind of action hero seeks in the end: to protect his loved ones through sacrifice. Nolan's patented twist on this is his existentialism and contemplative endings, but that doesn't really prevent him from hitting stereotypical story beats.