Chris Kellam

Follow the way of the Catholic discipline which has been derived from Christ himself and has come down to us through the apostles. -St. Augustine

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@redeemed_zoomer You are Protestant

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@MikeWingerii @sincead33 does an excellent job discussing this at various points in this discussion: https://t.co/z4OClsDXUK

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

Few things crack me up more than Baptists arguing against annihilationism because it's not a historical position

[Denny Burk @DennyBurk]

I recently travelled to Los Angeles to record a two-hour conversation with Ray Comfort, Mark Spence, and E.Z. Zwayne about the doctrine of Hell and annihilationism.

We get pretty deep in the weeds on this one, but it was definitely necessary to do so. I hope you’ll give it a listen and understand why the vast majority of believers throughout the entire history of the Christian church have embraced the biblical doctrine of the eternal conscious torment of the damned.

You can watch the video or listen to the Apple/Spotify podcast versions in the thread below.

@LivingWatersPub @RayComfort @markspence777 @EmealZwayne

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@TexasPreacher Can you point to a specific example of this? Because I know for myself and others I know personally it was because it was true, despite it upending our lives in many ways.

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@CodyAlanBaker Fr. Mason! I had my first confession with him. Welcome home!

[Kevin Fernandez @sincead33]

Reading guide for those wishing to learn more about the Catholic position of the rule of faith. (save and share!)

TLDR: these guys were at Trent, Vatican I, and Vatican 2, or were the students of those theologians.

[may update and make additions to thread in comments in the future]

INTRODUCTION

1. I found that the Dictionary of apologetics for the Catholic Faith has a short yet fantastic article on the Magisterium and Tradition. I have translated the French to English here (be sure to leave a like):

https://t.co/VuqqdOpBSn

FURTHER DIVE INTO "SACRED TRADITION"

2. The best and most extensive work produced on Tradition is Johann Cardinal Franzelin S.J.'s "On Divine Tradition." As opposed to St. Bellarmine and other Tridentine era authors, who were writing in a polemical context, Franzelin and his contemporaries were treating the subject abstractly and considered in itself, though they occasionally digressed to address Protestant doctrines if relevant. Franzelin was well read on 17th century Lutheran scholastics (e.g. Gerhard, Hunnius, etc) and briefly mentions them here and there, though he does so in passing in order to stay on topic.

English pdf here: https://t.co/JQACjcDLNm

3. Christian Pesch, S.J. has a great section on Tradition (and Scripture), which I have translated here:

https://t.co/EATUAMTt6K

4. Sacrae Theologiae Summa IB (bk. 2, ch. 4, art. and ch. 5 [pg. 293ff]):

This covers a general view of Tradition and then provides the criteria for identifying Tradition. This is important because Protestants often misunderstand what we mean by Tradition or the consensus of the Fathers, etc.

English pdf here:
https://t.co/nM6Y6ZWz5e

4. I recommend these a little less since they write polemically and do not write extensively on Tradition in itself so the explanation is very brief. The later authors quote them and build off of them though.

Melchor Cano, O.P. (De Locis Theo., bk. 3, ch. 3 and 4) and St. Robert Bellarmine (De Verbo Dei, bk. 4, ch. 9) give the "marks" by which Apostolic Tradition is authentically identified.

English pdf (St. Bellarmine) [pg. 246]: https://t.co/ZOR30vC43g

Latin pdf (Cano) [pg. 110 of the PDF] (sorry, use AI to translate I guess):
https://t.co/F2NXAEpgVQ

ON THE MAGISTERIUM AND REVELATION

5. Matthias Joseph Scheeben

Scheeben is great. I recommend his vol. 1, part. 1 of Dogmatik. If I could recommend one Catholic dogmatics work to a Protestant for them to read through the whole thing, it would be Scheeben.

In ch. 1 he treats Divine revelation
In ch. 2 he treats/proves the Catholic view of the propagation of Divine revelation and the organ instituted to do such a thing [the Magisterium].
In ch. 3 he treats the sources of revelation (Scripture and Apostolic/Sacred Tradition). He actually dedicates a handful of sections to Scripture and only one to apostolic Tradition.
In ch. 4 he treats "ecclesial Tradition", that is, the tradition of the Church after the apostles and when it can and cannot be said to reflect Sacred Tradition.
Ch. 5 treats the making of the rule of faith by the Magisterium (when it declares dogma, either ordinarily or extraordinarily) (this chapter is not as important as 2 - 4 but still recommended)

English link:
https://t.co/jceReTKXxX

6. Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.
De Revelatione is considered to be the best work of Catholic fundamental theology in the 20th century. All the other manuals of fundamental theology in the 20th century looked to De Revelatione as the gold standard. For those looking for the most thorough treatment of the act of faith under the Catholic paradigm, the motives of credibility, the role of the magisterium in the act of faith, and a refutation of the Papal Circle read Ch. 14-15.

English Link:
https://t.co/pPhdkvmHbB

7. Fr. Doronzo, O.M.I.

Fr. Dornzo’s Science Of Sacred Theology is a great manual of fundamental theology for those at a beginner’s level who are still looking for a great synthesis. Bk. 2 is dedicated to explaining the criteria of revelation otherwise known as the motives of credibility, Bk. 3 covers the sources of revelation, and Bk. 4 is a succinct defense of Catholic ecclesiology.

Link to all 4 volumes (for some reason the online PDF viewer wasn't working for me, but when I downloaded the file I was able to view it locally just fine):
https://t.co/OgdpfEli8s

Link to just Bk. 4 on the Church:
https://t.co/ffPuaWXLQs

8. Charles Cardinal Journet

Journet was arguably the most influential ecclesiologist of the 20th century. Specifically his Church of the Word Incarnate, was highly influential on the drafting of Lumen Gentium. Journet’s works in ecclesiology were so influential that he was appointed a Cardinal by Pope St. Paul VI. Journet’s ecclesiology relates the four marks of the Church (one, holy, Catholic, apostolic) with the four Aristotelian causes (efficient, material, formal, final), guided by the thought of St. Thomas and his most faithful commentators. In my humble opinion, Ch. 7 of Vol. 1 is the best treatise I’ve read on the differing levels of authority in the magisterium.

English Link:
https://t.co/0GKe3YoAVk

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@dragodimitrov Where does evangelical theology teach this? I was evangelical most of my life and know many evangelicals and have never once heard this.

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

Really enjoyed joining @chnetwork to share my conversion story. Thanks @mattswaim for the invite.

[Coming Home Network @chnetwork]

ICYMI, here's a link to watch this week's episode of The Journey Home...

@chriskellam26 was attending Gordon Conwell seminary and doing youth ministry at a Presbyterian church when he felt God calling him to explore the claims of the Catholic Church...https://t.co/F9Jzsyit3i

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@IFFFMEISTER BA but not IC?

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@gavinortlund @The_Catechumen @TalentEvaluator @NathanBozeman2 Dr. Ortlund, can you point me to work of yours that engages + steel mans the Catholic understanding of Sacred Tradition and critiques it? And any catholic scholars that review that positively?

[Brandon Eaves @Brandon_Eaves7]

@gavinortlund I’m quoting so I can post a thread to keep all my thoughts together.

Why Tradition is not the telephone game? 🧵

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@ClintWilli46055 First, that's not what RZ said, which was my initial point.

Second, this isn't a uniquely Catholic challenge in theology. 2 Pt. 1:4 says we are made "partakers of the divine nature." That could be taken heretically (language used only for God), or with distinctions, correctly.

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

Protestants who whine about Catholics making distinctions in theology is so tiresome. All theology involves making distinctions, especially the deeper into studying and explaining something you go. It's just cope when you cry about it when you don't have a good counter argument.

[Redeemed Zoomer @redeemed_zoomer]

@NathanBozeman2 There's NO statement that can't be defended with enough distinctions. The Roman Catholic system makes itself unfalsifiable with all their definitional gerrymandering

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@PresbyInn @OpStCyprian His post does not clearly communicate what you're saying. And I've seen him make similar statements other places without making the *ahem* distinction you are.

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@noneundersun @sincead33 So it's not overuse of them like you said intially, but what you think is the wrong kind of distinction being made

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@noneundersun @sincead33 And if there complaint of overuse of them, its a silly complaint. When does use of them become overuse?

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@noneundersun Ok at which point? How many when you get to that point? I'm sincerely asking

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@Christ_Conserv @OpStCyprian "there's too many distinctions!" An atheist, or a nom-Calvinist could say the exact same thing to him.

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@Christ_Conserv @OpStCyprian RZ's post was about quantity and so was St. Cyprian's. What you are saying here is fine, one could discuss if they really are. I've seen RZ claim this many other times when claims something about Catholic theology, is shown why he's wrong, and then just says

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@OpStCyprian Like if you have a problem with a certain distinction being made, fine. Argue for that. But its just dumb to say "you make too many distinctions"!

[Chris Kellam @chriskellam26]

@OpStCyprian I will watch the video but my whole point is that it seems like yall are just arguing that too many distinctions are a problem. But how many? 5? 20? 100? Like everyone makes distinctions, but it seems silly to you Catholics do it too much!!