@verymoisturized The left hating data is new. They once dove into reports and tables - look at Marx’s Capital. The original activists even had statistics groups. Here’s one more example of the inversion of left and right, of who lives in myth and who embraces reality.
@FischerKing64 Engels was a weird, self-indulgent and clever fellow - “condition of the working classes in England” is a good read. Personal in a way Marx never is.
But then two Irish “wives”, sisters, both illiterate, both had worked in his factory.
And his favorite sport? Fox hunting.
Socialized medicine is old and tried so we know how it works. We needn’t be wide eyed.
As for labor pay - labor is the biggest cost in healthcare and our current system pays more than any other, to American Citizens for the most part. Where that goes and how those affected feel about it is definitely part of any discussion. Just a part but not insignificant.
This is too significant an area to be reduced to slogans and sweeping bromides.
I’ve actually lived about as close to the bottom as exists in Western society. I’ve been homeless, I’ve been in jail. And yeah, those suck compared to free life with a good salary. But even then, I always had the thought that guaranteed food and a place to sleep was an amazing deal historically. That’s what you get here if you fuck up. That’s what we give the failures: guaranteed survival, even medicine. And all of this is possible because of the extreme abundance of wealth produced by Anglo capitalism and Anglo innovation. So I really have no patience for people who want to destroy this wealth engine because they don’t get enough doordash orders per month. You have no idea. The base case is digging grubs out from under a rotting log to get enough protein. If you describe yourself as a socialist in 2026 America, you simply don’t know what a miracle it is, or you take it for granted, the output of some natural law. And it is, in a sense. The successful will rise and compound their gains. That’s GOOD FOR YOU. That’s why they’ll pay you enough to afford lodging and plentiful meat to make a latte for them.
I think every socialist should have to live in a hunter-gatherer society for a few months. See how much you enjoy the equality.
Dude come on - all you have are ad hominems? In real life, I’m sure you’re quite engaging. Why not try it here?
What tradeoffs do you see? One is that the biggest source of costs in Healthcare - labor - will go down.
Look at the PPP wage levels of doctors and nurses elsewhere and compare them to here.
“The book”? If he or anyone advocating for fully socialized medicine were to engage with the tradeoffs then I’d take them seriously.
Yes labor costs must go down (nurses and doctors wages) as labor is the biggest cost in healthcare, yes hospitals will be more bare bones - as they are everywhere socialized medicine has been implemented, yes there will be delays for treatment, yes we’ll have QALY (quality adjusted life year accounting) …
Tradeoffs - he and his familiars do see all this as worth it and maybe they’re right. But in public, they won’t be honest about those tradeoffs.
Yes. That will force down the cost of labor and the quality of facilities - as it has everywhere it has been tried. Throw in QALYs and costs go down further. Add to waiting times for procedures, less costs again.
Lower costs, lower prices.
If these changes and more are acceptable to you then by all means advocate away.
@SteveHiltonx@katieporterca is clever and that’s not typical in a politician today. Did she have a temperament problem? Perhaps.
California has many systemic (appropriate word for us here) problems. That calls for politicians like Porter and Hilton and not blob-owned figureheads.
But …
@getnickwright@mattyglesias@AbdulElSayed Stick to your lane Nick. You’re good at it and people appreciate that.
You know nothing about the economics of healthcare. Of course, neither does this new senator. But it’s his job to grandstand about stuff he doesn’t understand. Yours? I hope not.
@Collinsolu5 Every everyday device, all needing to cooperate, all running our lives like the busy downstairs staff of Downton Abbey. That part will be interesting.
it’s pretty telling that whenever they have to choose between the degrowth strand of environmentalism and labor, the American left always throws labor under the bus
@Collinsolu5 Just need a consistent start within two years and we’ll see plenty of edge AI by then, walking, driving and just humming away, computing tokens.
@bholiday Still maxes out the Fremont, California factory. Expect the same in Texas but future stuff, Louisiana, Florida.
Then there’s escape velocity - you don’t find rent seekers or Luddites in space.
We’ve seen peak Texas.
@patrickc Immediately disturbing is the coming elimination of many clerical and delivery jobs. Welcome and promising, all the edge AI assistants.
Big brother delivering brave new world discoveries is too remote, too other worldly to appreciate by most.
@brivael “everything in its power to ban AI, or capture it” - that’s the plan.
But within two years, we’ll see data centers in space and lots and lots of edge AI that no central organ can control.
Close run thing though.