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[David @davidironengine]

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[David @davidironengine]

The “these things” in 1John 5:13 is preceded by almost 30 conditional “if” statements in the preceding parts of the letter but that apparently can all be nullified for the sake of the man made tradition of OSAS.

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1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have BEEN SAVED through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a
result of works, so that no one may boast.

John 1:12 But to all who do receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

[David @davidironengine]

@___mithrandir_ It doesn’t really matter how you shift the goalposts on what you do and do not call worship though, does it? The point is you call veneration worship and that is a misunderstanding of what the Bible calls worship.

[David @davidironengine]

@BIG_SGT_D Like St Paul saying he saves people in 1Cor 9:22 you mean?

[David @davidironengine]

Yeah, around the time that the New Testament canon that you use today was near the end of its formation. Very early yeah?

The Church that venerated this relic was the same one that told you that the letter to the Hebrews (which incidentally mentions those pesky items carried with so much veneration that they made it into the Ark of the Covenant) was a part of God’s word.

[David @davidironengine]

@LynnLoera @ricosangel333 Hey @grok can you please give us three of the clearest quotes from the Early Church Fathers that predate the formation of the New Testament canon that Christians use today which outline the view of the Early Church on the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

[David @davidironengine]

@thegizmeister77 @lyttle_deb9361 Haha! I’m pretty sure I haven’t seen an episode since the 80s.

[David @davidironengine]

Great. Kinda like how Gal 4:4 says that Mary was the means by which Christ came to all of us. I think that if you accept your own argument and you want to embrace and not nullify the word of God in Gal 4:4 for the sake of your tradition then you have the answer to the original objection.

[David @davidironengine]

@Butch30586594 @JamesDueck So I know you believe this can you show me from Scripture why Hebrews should be a part of the Canon and 1 Clement should not?

[David @davidironengine]

This is exactly right.

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The problem for Protestants is they don’t believe there is any sacrifice in their religion. The highest form of worship they offer to God is praise.
So when they see Catholics venerating relics or honoring Saints, all they can see is worship.
They need their eyes & hearts opened.

[David @davidironengine]

@JanetET115 @Catholic_Haze Heck, we even call the place where He lived “the holy land”.

[David @davidironengine]

@JanetET115 @Catholic_Haze The relics of Christ were indeed venerated, even if it took a long time to find them. The miracles surrounding the finding of Our Lord’s Cross, for example, are a case of this.

[David @davidironengine]

@BibleInContext1 So I know you believe your own argument, do the same post with the Apostles teaching the canonicity of Hebrews. If you won’t do one then I know you don’t really back what you’ve said here and I can forget about it.

[David @davidironengine]

@AnsweringRCs Tell us how they knew they were Elisha’s bones and while you’re at it tell us about how Moses was lying when he spoke about the respect shown for Joseph’s bones.

[David @davidironengine]

@joshwhitlatch Matt 7:21
Matt 19:16-17
Luke 10:25-28
John 15:10
1John 2:17
Acts 3:19
Acts 17:30
Rom 8:13
Hebrews 12:14
James 1:12
Matt 25:34-46
Luke 10:27-28
1Cor 13:2-3
Romans 6:3-4,22-23
2Peter 1:10-11

[David @davidironengine]

Seems to me that the fact that Christians used them as a means of grace meant that they expected them to be means of grace. Please give me an example from Acts that the Christians were meant to collect a New Testament canon and that Christians were to use that. You should be able to do this since it is the standard you demand for relics.

[David @davidironengine]

@SoliDeoGloria_X Matt 7:21
Matt 19:16-17
Luke 10:25-28
John 15:10
1John 2:17
Acts 3:19
Acts 17:30
Rom 8:13
Hebrews 12:14
James 1:12
Matt 25:34-46
Luke 10:27-28
1Cor 13:2-3
Romans 6:3-4,22-23
2Peter 1:10-11

[David @davidironengine]

@BornAgainBalaky You mean like Gal 4:4?

[David @davidironengine]

@LynnLoera @ricosangel333 Hey @grok what are some of the earliest quotes from the Church Fathers that reflect the Catholic belief of Christ being really present in the Eucharist? Please don’t just give quotes but the year(s) they come from.

[David @davidironengine]

I left Catholicism in my teens and as a part of (long) journey after that I read the Bible. Then I was told that I read the wrong translation, so I read it again, this time in the NKJV. At the end of that I had lots of questions. I didn’t bother going to Catholics, because I thought I knew Catholicism. Instead I went to three different Protestant ministers. Three out of three, within a few minutes of speaking to them I found that they knew less about what the Bible says than I did, even though I was just an idiot who only read the Bible twice in the previous few months.

It wasn’t until I was challenged about a Catholic belief that I had previously never heard of (“Catholic” education in the 1980s was woeful!) that I went to find out what the Catholic Church itself said about it that I finally found a faith that made perfect sense and harmonised perfectly with the whole of Scripture. Thanks be to God, I have been a Catholic ever since and by God’s grace I will live and die in this faith.