Denver Hayward

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@Elsbels1205 @9thGenTexian Yeah sounds like their husband is emotionally a child. Their tag is 9th gen texian which checks out

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kramnik when he joins titled tuesday:

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@CosmicSkeptic Trolley is headed towards 1 person tied up. The other track has no one. Through some Sherlock Holmesing you learn with certainty that the tied up person has spent 6 months building the trolley and tracks for this purpose. Should you switch the tracks? Are you "allowed" to?

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@CapturingChrist @RandalRauser Maybe only a couple of things on your list are as important as the trinity, but good point, one would think those would all answered in scripture too if it was divinely inspired or written.

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@consciousphilos @wootfren2 And this isn't really the point, but it's still interesting: saying Jesus is God in the same way you are a human makes it polytheistic. He has to be more the same than just the same in nature for there to be only one God.

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@consciousphilos @wootfren2 Even if that's what author believed, it's still a really weird way of claiming he's God. If I were the author, I would've made something so important much clearer.

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic And are you sure Bart would agree with you on all this? Because if he doesn't, his use of the Divine is not the gotcha you think it is

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic On your theism or Mark's?

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic Maybe wouldn't use exactly the phrase "lesser god" but yeah, something more divine than human but less than God

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@wootfren2 @consciousphilos My point was that's saying Jesus is at the right hand of someone is a really weird way of claiming they are the same person

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@wootfren2 @consciousphilos It is an old doctrine. Do you have evidence it's as old as Mark and was believed by Mark?

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic That would be true if the author used the word divine? Your gotcha was that Bart said divine, I'm saying it's very unlikely he meant "God" when he said divine

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic It's just really not the gotcha you think it is

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic The question isn't how theists see divinity, it's how Bart sees it, he's pretty consistent in claiming that he doesn't believe that verse was claiming he was actually God. One use of the word divine should not negate everything else he says because of your definition of divine

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic Yes I agree. He did say that the author appeared to be claiming Jesus was divine, but I don't think by "divine" he meant "is the same person as God the father". More likely just saying he was more than human, more like God, the right hand of God.

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@consciousphilos Sitting at the right hand of someone surely is a weird way of claiming to be that someone

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@consciousphilos I've never used the word divine to mean only God, but that's not important because those verses didn't use the word either. Can you explain why a claim to being the Son of Man is synonymous with a claim to being fully God?

[Denver Hayward @denver_hayward]

@TDisputations @CosmicSkeptic Could you elaborate on what you think Bart is saying in that clip? To me it sounds like he says the author of Mark thinks that Jesus was divine (but only the right hand of God, not fully God himself). Not that Jesus himself thought he was God