Why are so many libertarians turning Trump? Did he ever disavow his prior authoritarian COVID policies? He's abandoned pretty much all conservative principles Couldn't he be controlled Opp? It looks like the Dems are TRYING to lose. Am I the only one highly suspicious of it all?
@glaucwn@waldenpod Plants emit ultrasonic sounds when they're attacked. NPCs, AI, and robots can scream and feign fear/pain. Microscopic organisms will flee from threats and have their own communicative stress responses.
Is it reasonable to assign our own mental experiences to other beings?
@waldenpod@PAHoyeck I was wondering if someone was going to respond with "atheists support abortion" but then I had another thought. I wonder if genuine communion with God can facilitate the kind of change in character that improves ethical wisdom.
@waldenpod What would your thoughts be on the idea that animals don't have immaterial minds and so don't experience anything? That they're basically biological robots with the breath of life (soul) but no spirit (mind)?
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP My dissatisfaction might have to do with the idea that evil gets any victory. We just don't see the total triumph of good. Very good things—people—are permanently lost. Just a very high cost to bear, especially considering Christ loved each one enough to die for them.
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP and by "who will believe" I mean those who will never ever change. I suppose someone could hold CI and still maintain that post-mortem opportunities for salvation exist, if God knows they will repent and have faith after death, but not before
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP I look at 1 Cor 13 and I think that there's tension with the idea that God would give up on some people. I suppose if He knows who will believe and who won't, that justifies their annihilation, and at least they got to experience some good things in life. Still... unsatisfying.
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP I look at 1 Cor 13 and I think that there's tension with the idea that God would give up on some people. I suppose if He knows who will believe and who won't, that justifies their annihilation, and at least they got to experience some good things in life. Still... unsatisfying.
@resisfertile Natural order will be restored. Destructive behaviors have a self-correcting mechanism built in. Either they prompt the individual to change or the individual will die earlier, produce fewer/less children, or contribute less to society.
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP I understand that perspective, but it seems to me that philosophical considerations are relevant factors in determining what interpretation is most plausible. Does that have any weight in your mind? Wouldn't systematic theology be similar to what I'm suggesting?
@NickQuient@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP You believe in CI, right? One of the reasons I moved from CI to UR is because I think UR has the philosophical advantage, especially in regards to God's character and the nature of love, so I'm curious what someone like you would think about that.
@GeoChonker https://t.co/ysOlSKzyUk
Also, I think Hoppeanism coheres well with the way the Church in the NT is portrayed, since the Church communities share characteristics similar with covenant communities.
@GeoChonker A private property order of covenant communities (highly communitarian—people live with likeminded people) where all services provided by the state are privatized and the state is dissolved. So no coercion to force people together + polycentric law. Hope that helps.
@cdjstrydom@ProvisionistP@NickQuient This is what I got from it: https://t.co/hNfBNJj7QM
I did add this to the prompt.
Final scoring was:
ECT: 5
CI: 7
UR: 6.5
Reminds me of what Chris Date said. ECT is dead and the future debate will be between CI and UR. That's the direction the Church is moving.
@danielbuxton16@OldStirling That's just what's worked for me though with my friendships/family and the very great difficulties I've encountered with them. Every situation is different and wisdom is absolutely necessary, but a very high degree of patience and goodness/love is as well.
@danielbuxton16@OldStirling And many times, by continually demonstrating benevolence, it can win over people (over time) more than sound arguments alone. That's because everyone desires the good in a very everlasting sense, and loss of that good is acutely painful.