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@elsathora black people, that's why

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@LowStudies @IndianaBrunner Why are you even trying to explain this to him? He posts enough vantablack theological coal to power entire civilizations.

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@GregoryKBovino @NoDMsPerfavore @SeldenGADawgs Please take over our government ASAP (Legally)

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@FreddyLA7 don't get shot by a black person

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@velvetgroypette @NickJFuentes

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@Nutri_Science_ You got the covid vax, didn't you?

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@RealBenMichael she just hates white people, who cares what she thinks

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@JoelWebbon @farmingandJesus @dalepartridge You're dealing with Lizzie here....don't expect much by way of "good faith"

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@Abuser_Eater @HabCorpLinguist Stop & Shop and Hannaford are both owned by Ahold Delhaize.

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Decorations are not icons? According to whom? You?

Doesn’t really matter if they were in the meeting area or not for this—your quote mine quotes are simply trying to prove that there was a blanket prohibition against images. Images exist—therefore your quote mines don’t mean what you think they mean.

Also, quit dodging the point about Joshua.

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Your own article mentions the Dura-Europos Church, which had images of Christ in it 🤣🤣🤣🤣. And it’s pre-500 AD. You mention that there’s no manual explaining how these images were used, which is the exact goalpost shift I mentioned before.

Also, nice dodge not answering me regarding Joshua in the OT.

Also also, with regards to Epiphanius, much scholarly work has demonstrated that his supposed anti-icon stance comes from document forgeries. Plus, even the Protestant Philip Schaff admits that Epiphanius put the curtain of the church back up after his “arbitrary conduct” of pulling it down. It’s also weird that in the Panarion he never mentions icons as heretical at all, which is strange if he’s so supposedly anti-icon as Protestants try to make him. So you can post pictures quote mining the church fathers but without further context they don’t really help your argument.

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You’re just repeating the same old tired trope after Protestants constantly have to move the goalposts.

Protestants: “You can’t provide any examples of icons before Nicaea 2!!”

Historians: *discovers icons pre-Nicea 2*

Protestants: “Well, you can’t provide examples of icons before 500 AD!”

Historians: *discovers icons before 500 AD!”

Protestants: “Well, okay, they existed but they weren’t venerated!”

Okay, keep moving the goalposts. I’m eager to hear what you’d say regarding Joshua throwing himself on the ground before the Ark of the Covenant in Joshua 7:6. The ark had likenesses of things in heaven on it (the golden cherubim). And it had physical created objects in it (the Tablets, and Aaron’s rod that budded). Was he committing idolatry? He was doing everything you say shouldn’t be done. Do you think the church fathers say he shouldn’t have done that?

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Also, your quote of Origen saying that Christians “cannot allow in the worship of the Divine Being altars, or temples, or images” is misguided and out of context. The early church had both altars (Hebrews 13:10) and temples (obviously, see archeological excavations, which also have altars in them) so Origen is clearly not referring to the Christian idea of either altar or temple—and therefore obviously images too, otherwise he would be internally self-contradictory.

I’ve only picked a couple of examples of your citations being cherry-picked quote mines taken out of context and falling into word-concept fallacies. But Protestantism’s inherent Gnosticism and implicit denial of the goodness of creation and created matter is an issue very near to the heart of their central problem with icons.

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Your citation of Clement of Alexandria is also incorrect. Iconography isn’t even mentioned in the passage from which your quote-mine came from. You quote Clement as saying “Works of art cannot then be sacred and divine.”

Here’s the whole paragraph: “It were indeed ridiculous, as the philosophers themselves say, for man, the plaything of God, to make God, and for God to be the plaything of art; since what is made is similar and the same to that of which it is made, as that which is made of ivory is ivory, and that which is made of gold golden. Now the images and temples constructed by mechanics are made of inert matter; so that they too are inert, and material, and profane; and if you perfect the art, they partake of mechanical coarseness. Works of art cannot then be sacred and divine.”

Read Book 4. The above section from Book 5 is part of a long screed against pagan Greek thought and their view of gods, matter, the sacred, and the profane. Absolutely nothing at all to do with Christian icons.

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@KeithWoodsYT @NickJFuentes we need your input here

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@dannyphiltalk @xSAINTPERKx “I’m an atheist but here’s how Christians should behave”

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@RepKeithSelf Well, keep trying. The public pressure from all sides against this will be immense.

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@OwenShroyer1776 Rent free, could you be more of a goyim