kingAbe 🇻🇦

I believe in the historical fact of Jesus Christ resurrection, the Son of God #futurestrader

[Vindicated Doomer 🇺🇳 @anti_realism_]

I admittedly have not looked into Padre Pio, which all these guys say is the most convincing “miracle”, but having spent 50+ hours on Fatima, and probably another 5+ on Lanciano, everything I’ve seen suggests the miracle case for Catholicism is shockingly impotent.

[Kevin Fernandez @sincead33]

Thankfully the motives of credibility are adapted to the intelligence of all so that men can know where the authentic preaching of divine revelation is to be found without having to read Johannes [some German last name]’s 1200 page response to Bellarmine.

To my knowledge Joe hasn’t done any apologetics against Sola Fide or Sola Scriptura; if he did then obviously it’s his duty to read up on the issue. But if he’s just pointing out motives of credibility, then it’s no different than a simple Jewish man in the first century pointing out to an educated scribe the obvious motives of credibility for Christ, which they actually did do in the Gospels, without having formal education.

[Ethan Muse @emuse1955]

First, I would like to point out that Catholics are dogmatically committed to the knowability, discernibility, and apologetic value of *vindicatory miracles.* Here are a few examples of key texts:
--"If anyone says […] that miracles can never be known with certainty nor serve to prove effectively the divine origin of the Christian religion, let him be anathema" (First Vatican Council, Dei Filius, Denzinger 3034)
--"I acknowledge the external proofs of Revelation, that is, divine facts, especially miracles and prophecies, as most certain signs of the divine origin of the Christian religion, and I hold that they are well suited to the understanding of all ages and all men, even those of today." (St. Pius X, Anti-Modernist Oath, Denzinger 3539)
--"Moreover, the human mind can sometimes experience difficulty in forming a simple and certain judgment of ‘credibility’ regarding the Catholic faith, even though God has provided a great number of striking external signs by which we can prove with certainty the divine origin of the Christian religion by the natural light of reason alone" (Pius XII, Humani Generis)

Second, the Catholic worldview strongly predicts that either (i) the situation that you describe will not occur (or will admit of a naturalistic explanation), (ii) it would be accompanied by evident signs of demonic deception (such that it would not constitute an 'invincible deception' were God to permit it). Catholicism makes *falsifiable claims* about what God will and will not do - that's a virtue, not a vice of the Catholic worldview.

Third, the Catholic worldview does not predict that there will be non-zero *claims* that events like this have occurred. I've come across a number of claims like this during my research. However, when I have looked into them further, it has become apparent they are not especially credible. Everyone needs to retain their skepticism when evaluating miracle stories - there are a very large number of false claims - that also means not being overzealous in promoting Catholic miracles that are not well-supported - we need to insist on a high bar, especially if we are asserting that a claim has apologetic value.

Fourth, generally speaking, appeals to miracles to authenticate special revelations (rather than merely to refute naturalism) should rely on miracles that have a *broad scope* - that is, it is clear that God intends to *promulgate* a message to a *broad audience* and to lend credence to it by the accompanying signs. There can be reasons why God, in His providence, is more permissive about misleading signs when the audience is very narrow (though the veracity of God does impose certain limits on these cases) - hence, objective inquiry into the miracle record should focus primarily on the distribution of public, extraordinary signs where the intent to vindicate a particular message to a very large audience is clear and conspicuous.

[Damian @DeThomist]

Not one miracle has been shown to be vindicatory of Orthodoxy or Protestantism. Meanwhile, we have miracles of Our Lady explicitly pointing to the Catholic Church and affirming the Immaculate Conception and Papacy.

https://t.co/kb9XyY2Hsp

[Bessarion @jzzpere]

If anyone would like to set up a formal debate on whether the ecclesiology of the Church in the 6th–7th centuries was fundamentally conciliar or Papal, let me know.

We can aim for sometime in October or December!
@JeromeChukwuwem @Fearless__Truth @brycejofficial @InquiringTruth_

[Cathodox @The_Cathodox]

A dogmatic/confessional contradiction I found in Eastern Orthodoxy on punishment after death. These confessions are accepted by multiple patriarchs.

1642 No temporary punishment after death
1672 Temporary punishment after death
1838 No temporary punishment after death

Thoughts?

[kingAbe 🇻🇦 @itsatomfx]

@brycejofficial @Fearless__Truth @JesusandWhatnot @jzzpere That’s not true and you know it. Jason focuses on papacy material, JAWN doesn’t. If you want to debate, debate people who focus on the specific position to actually convert souls if you believe your position is true.

[kingAbe 🇻🇦 @itsatomfx]

@Fearless__Truth @JesusandWhatnot Why don’t you debate @jzzpere? Scared?

[Ryan Lee @honorablesaint]

@needGod_net needGod is pissed his easy believism and tik tok kiddy story time skits don't work on people with actual intellectual rigor.

[Cameron Bertuzzi @CapturingChrist]

Cameron, why do you focus so much on Catholic miracles?

[Sachin Jose @Sachinettiyil]

Joseph Schmid, prominent agnostic philosopher and YouTuber, has announced his conversion to Catholicism.

[Edward Feser @FeserEdward]

Whoa, what?

[Ethan Muse @emuse1955]

Mission accomplished

[Papism Enjoyer @papism101]

@CapturingChrist @emuse1955 please do an interview/discussion with Joe

[Majesty of Reason @majestyofreason]

I just converted to Catholicism! Here’s my story:

https://t.co/BkAKKFWZrO

[Bessarion @jzzpere]

Interesting excerpts from Fr. Francis Dvornik’s The Photian Schism (pp. 182–185), which seem to show that Photius and the Greeks of his time believed the Pope possessed a Primacy of Jurisdiction over the entire Church by virtue of his succession from St. Peter.

[unashamed augustinian @LukasNectarios]

Regarding the faith which they uphold, the ancient Rome has kept a straight course from of old, and still does so, uniting the whole West by sound teaching, and is just since she presides over all and guards the universal divine harmony.

`St. Gregory Nazianzen, [Carmen de Vita Sua, part 1, PG 37.1068, in Documents Illustrating Papal Authority: A.D. 96–454, by Edward Giles (London: SPCK, 1952), 130]`

[kingAbe 🇻🇦 @itsatomfx]

@ApostolicOrtho Says the church that has an internal schism, and a divided body of Christ. Do both the Malankara and Jacobite church have valid Eucharist? If so why do they refuse communion with eachother? Is Christ divided? Catholicism does not divide Christs body we can deal with schisms

[kingAbe 🇻🇦 @itsatomfx]

@ApostolicOrtho You love deflecting and doing anything but release a papacy video or Fatima video. Been dodging debates with this excuse but you have time to make this nonsense?

[Papism Enjoyer @papism101]

This is a total LARP coming from someone who is preparing a video with over 1k slides against the papacy and has built his whole platform doing the very thing he criticises