I don’t care how unfashionable it has become to say this:
Ancestry, ethnicity and the way people are racialised by society are real. Pretending otherwise does not produce a more tolerant or tolerable society—whichever side of the aisle you’re on—it simply leaves us with a…
And this is why I used to pay for X. Copying from Notes, pasting, then re-editing everything to fit is needlessly arduous. I use X differently these days, resisting the urge to react viscerally to every ruddy happening, but on the rare occasion I do wade in, Christ, it’s painful.
The Left are now so insane that they’re claiming Suella Braverman is both ethnically English and racist for rejecting the claim that she is ethnically English. This is Lysenkoist-level intellectual propaganda.
@arthur_spirling Indeed. And anyone who was truly interested in the truth of the matter would take care to clarify their terms and distinctions explicitly, which nobody in this debate ever does, because the lack of definition is the point!
The "debate" over Englishness makes a lot more sense if you think of it as a way for people to signal to their own side how important they think ethnicity is, since the best way for both sides to do this is to keep it as ambiguous as possible whether they mean "ethnically English" or "culturally English" unless they are pushed. It's very toxoplasmic: both sides get maximum attention and credit with their own factions by being as ambiguous as possible.
@P88044770 To what ethnic group do Americans of English ancestry belong ? I've heard of Italian Americans, Irish Americans, African Americans etc., but never of 'English Americans'.
And, yes, that requires distinction within. Unfortunately, there are internal hierarchies to that. Mostly about ancestry, belonging, commonwealth, culture, proximity to those things, an umbrella conception of Britain and her constituent parts, a shared purpose, narrative…
Neither ancestry nor appearance should determine civic worth. A liberal political order should be much more interested in citizenship, conduct, loyalty to its laws and participation in the common life than in somebody’s genealogy.